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Forum: Armchair-GM13 hours ago
Thread: Multiple moves to keep assets in place while landing some talent
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Nights_King93</b></div><div>I have seen Edmonton fans giving up a second or third for Galchenyuk... So I added POJ to make it a first. I can see why they wouldn't, especially if they didn't think they had a chance to make the playoffs. But.. That is what I based it off of and why I picked them.

Minny isn't an easy no imo. Maybe add another piece. But that deal would get them close in my eyes.</div></div>

Galchenyuk at BEST would get you a mid or late 3rd. POJ has been fine but nothing special in the AHL. Don't think they would equate to 1st. Maybe a late 2nd.

MIN is giving up a top pair defensemen, one of the most underrated in the league, and a very good top 6 winger for a bad defesemen on a terrible contract, a AHLs, a 3rd, and a late 1st. Doesn't add up at all. That package alone wouldn't get either of those players by themselves.
Forum: Armchair-GM17 hours ago
Thread: Hall as a UFA
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>ok so they are still a "poor" team offensively and they have Hall. Then how did he "elevate" his lines.
I mean don't you get that. You are in a circular argument with that nonsense. It's always everyone's fault but Hall's because Hall has a name and it couldn't be him.
He's not an 11 million player. No one in their right mind pays him that either.</div></div>

ALL STRENGTHS
ARI before Hall trade: 2.57GF/60 (25th)
ARI after Hall trade: 3.05GF/60 (18th)
EVEN STRENGTH
ARI before Hall trade: 2.3GF/60 (28th)
ARI after Hall trade: 2.83GF/60 (16th)

That's a huuuge jump in a short time. He's elevating that team like he did with EDM and NJD. Just wait until he gets on a good team, dude will consistently be around that 100 point mark.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 11:23 pm
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 10:41 pm
Thread: Hall as a UFA
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>no hall isn't Panarin, he's not close. Period.
Are you kidding me.
Panarin was a 1 man offense.
You can say a team is "more than one man" but yet you look at the guys getting paid that much money and ask yourself if that's true.
Panarin was the offense on CBJ. McDavid is the offense on EDM, Matthew is the offense on TOR. He elevated everyone around him. Scored up 40+ goals a year.
Where is that with Hall. Non existent.
You are enamored with a name not what he actually brings to the ice.</div></div>

Hall is a one man offense too lol how do you not see that?! It look at his point outlet on all the bad teams he's been on. He's consistently leading them. Hall elevated every team he was on. Dude is getting $11M this summer.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 10:14 pm
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 4:10 pm
Thread: Hall as a UFA
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>O I totally agree with you but that's not how UFA works. You have to overpay to get a player. EVERY team would love to sign players to short, cheap contracts, but it isn't going to happen.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quote:</div> You are just hooked on a name. If he was that great he'd be tearing it up with AZ where he does have help. But he's not really looking like a Hart winning player there now is he. </div>

Yeah I'm hooked on a name that has been a beast his whole career on bad teams. And no, he has VERY little help in ARI, very little. They haven't had a point getter higher than 55 points in almost 10 years. Last season their highest point player had 47 points. Before Hall showed up their leading point player was on pace for 53 points. He has such little help offensively.</div></div>

he has not consistantly elevated his lines. why do you think NJ traded him from practically last place[/quote]

...because they were in last place and were getting assets while they could?
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 1:29 pm
Thread: Hall as a UFA
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>He's not all that and has never been.
Hell you act like he's McDavid carrying the oilers on his back. He's not.
The question you should be asking yourself is how come he didn't elevate his own lines then if he's that great. You got a team in Boston that is 1 line carrying the whole team.
It's not like he was on teams with 0 help. That just isn't true.
And yes he's 28, which means he's past his prime years. You want to pay him till he's 35 like you are getting years when he was 24. No thanks.
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He consistently elevated his own lines, no idea what you're talking about. Didn't lead the next Devil by like 40+ points his MVP year. And yeah, he bascially was on teams with zero help. Anyone ever close to him was McDavid for 1 season.

Yeah he's 28 but still amazing. The best comparison is Panarin, very similar players. Which is why he'll get $11M.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quote:</div>No contract on a player should be going past 33. You are just asking to put yourself in cap trouble later. It's best to keep contracts shorter and not pay them for past accomplishments but what they will currently bring to a team. </div>

O I totally agree with you but that's not how UFA works. You have to overpay to get a player. EVERY team would love to sign players to short, cheap contracts, but it isn't going to happen.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quote:</div> You are just hooked on a name. If he was that great he'd be tearing it up with AZ where he does have help. But he's not really looking like a Hart winning player there now is he. </div>

Yeah I'm hooked on a name that has been a beast his whole career on bad teams. And no, he has VERY little help in ARI, very little. They haven't had a point getter higher than 55 points in almost 10 years. Last season their highest point player had 47 points. Before Hall showed up their leading point player was on pace for 53 points. He has such little help offensively.
Forum: Armchair-GMTue at 8:32 pm
Thread: Hall as a UFA
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Book_Hockey</b></div><div>Woof, who ever gives him that will regret it after 3 years. He's a prime buyout candidate 5 years down the line.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>He hasn't played like he's worth 11 million this year. At all.</div></div>

He's a 28yo Hart winning beast that drives possession, is an offensive force, and has always played on bad teams. On any good team he's hitting 100 points regularly.

And, this is most important, there's not an offensemen that's a UFA this summer that's anywhere near his level. He's the bell of the ball and will get what he wants. Go take a look: <a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2021/caphit/all/forwards">https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2021/caphit/all/forwards</a> It's all mediocre players then him.