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Forum: Armchair-GMOct 15 at 2:29
Thread: Hindsight into the 2015 Draft
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hanson493</b></div><div>HOW DO YOU KNOW!!!! thats the entire point im trying to make. EVERY system is different, EVERY PLAYER is different in someone elses system. Do i think zboril becomes as good as chabot in ottawa probably not. but i cant definitively say yes or no. The scouting reports at the time were basically that both players would be solid defensemen. Zboril was compared to yandle while chabot was quoted as being a steady all around defenseman. If zboril plays nhl minutes vs sticking around in the Q/ahl he could easily be a top 4 stud vs also as easily be a bust. thats been my entire point all along. doing hindsight in drafts is pointless because someone you took might or might not become something else in someone elses system.</div></div>

And as I have said repeatedly, I fully agree that development alters a player. But you are factoring out personal talent way to much. Some players even with excellent development programs still can't become top players. A player needs both good development but also natural skill and work ethic to reach a potential. So saying that a guy like Zboril could reach Chabot level simply by being drafted to a different team is ridiculous.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct 14 at 10:35
Thread: Hindsight into the 2015 Draft
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ON3M4N</b></div><div>I dont think congratulations are in order, but to each their own. I've said multiple times that the 2015 draft was a miss and they messed up. Unfortunately you seem to have ignored that. I have nothing to justify, all I can do is look at what has happened based on reality. To assume the status quo after making even the smallest change is foolish. Everything from drafts picks to off-seasons moves and game results would most likely change. Not only that but player development is not guaranteed to be the same. Looks at a guy like Williams Karlsson. He was nothing with ANH and CBJ. In fact he had 50pt in 183gp. He goes to Vegas and in his first year he had 43 goals and 70pts. A guy with nearly 200gp had almost as many goals in one season with VGK than he did points for his career. Why is that? Because of how he was used, his role and numerous other factors.

You look at Chabot as he is now, but don't take into consideration how Boston would have handled him. At the time Chara and Krug were staples in the top 4. Chabot wouldn't have 24 minutes a night in Boston and he wouldn't have been on the #1PP. The Chabot you see in Ottawa may very well be different in Boston because his role and usage would be different. Same goes for Barzal. Krejci was under contract and no way is Barzal getting close to 18 minutes a night as a rookie in Boston. He probably is in a 3rd line role seeing time on PP2 and playing with Danton Heinen and Riley Nash.

This isn't a ludicrous argument at all, it's actually pretty logical</div></div>

And I’ve said multiple times that there are chain effects. But the point I keep making that you are ignoring, is that if 2015 was executed correctly, Boston would have upgrades on three different players right now.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct 14 at 6:06
Thread: Hindsight into the 2015 Draft
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ON3M4N</b></div><div>Overthinking? no, just trying to be realistic about it. I'm not arguing they'd be worse because I have no idea what the roster would look like and that's my whole point. Its the reason why these 2015 hindsight drafts are stupid because is assinine predict the chain reaction of events that would unfold after those picks.

BTW scary to think even with the 2015 draft mess up they were 1 win away from a Stanley Cup title and won the president trophy this year. Meanwhile a team like Toronto can't even get out of the first round after having two top 5 picks and signing a former #1OA since that 2015 draft :laugh</div></div>

I made the armchair for fun. But leave it to Bruins fans to overreact and make it about the Leafs :tearsofjoy. You’re delusional if you can’t admit the 2015 draft was a massive mistake, that stopped you guys from potentially building a dynasty.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct 14 at 4:50
Thread: Hindsight into the 2015 Draft
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hanson493</b></div><div>youre assuming that none of those 3 get drafted above the bruins now though since its full hindsight.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ON3M4N</b></div><div>We don't know if they'd still be draft by Boston because every draft board would have changed. Its possible Carlo moved up on someone's board and would have been taken by someone before Boston's 2nd round pick...same for Lauzon. For Studnicka, we don't know if that pick is still in that spot again because we've changed the draft, which ripples to off-season moves, to games and outcomes, which ultimately ends with the final standings.</div></div>

You're both overthinking this so much. Yeah obviously the draft would be way different if every team used hindsight. Yes of course the Bruins would have made different moves if they drafted like this. However, what is a fact, is that the 2015 draft by Boston was one of the worst draft performances in recent memory. All teams screw up picks, but you guys somehow managed to completely botch three consecutive picks, that all occurred directly before three elite players. I made the armchair because its just so impressive just how much the Bruins managed to screw up the 2015 draft.

I find it irrational to even argue that your team would be worse right now if you instead took three elite players over two busts and a second liner. Overall, I like looking back at drafts and seeing where teams screwed up. Just so happens that the Bruins made one of the biggest draft mistakes in recent memory.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct 14 at 4:04
Thread: Hindsight into the 2015 Draft
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hanson493</b></div><div>right but barzal isnt going to be a ppg player with the bruins. so you cant make any comparison to barzal because at best they play him 2nd line with krejci. not 1st line center. ive said multiple times i wanted connor, i wanted connor at the draft, i remember them picking debrusk and senyshyn instead of connor and i threw the remote. But chabot i think benefit heavily from going to ottawa. His development for most teams doesnt skyrocket the way it did if hes on a team like the bruins where he takes the zboril route.

Hypothetical here. Zboril gets drafted by the bruins. knows hes stuck with them for the time being. knows hes not taking the HOF charas spot on the top line any time soon, and he wasnt taking newly signed krugs spot. He coasts a little bit in his development. I personally would like to believe we see a much different player this year than you saw in juniors and the ahl.</div></div>

You're still making crazy assumptions on Barzal. He has the potential to be a 1C, there would be options for him to reach that potential, or maybe he gets moved to wing. You simply cannot make the argument that drafting Zboril, Senyshyn, and DeBrusk over Barzal was understandable, because the skill difference is immense.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct 14 at 3:39
Thread: Hindsight into the 2015 Draft
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hanson493</b></div><div>zboril is going to get his shot in the nhl this year... not sure how hes a bust. senyshyn was a bad pick but hes still young he could rebound and find a nice role for himself. and debrusk has top 6 potential still.</div></div>

Someone who was taken 13 OA and has only played 2 NHL games and is now 23, is in fact a "bust". Not saying Zboril can't find a spot in the B's bottom four, but he has in no way shown he was worth the 13 OA selection. Senyshyn has 16 points in 42 games in the AHL so I think we can safely assume he'll become, at best, a fourth liner (maybe a third liner if he's lucky). But yeah I totally agree DeBrusk can be a solid 2nd line guy for the Bruins.

But when you take that and compare it against Barzal (nearly a PPG this season), Connor (has hit 30 goals three straight years), and Chabot (a legit top pair); the point still stands.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct 14 at 3:27
Thread: Hindsight into the 2015 Draft
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hanson493</b></div><div>I hate these hindsight lookbacks... First, barzal gets stuck behind bergeron and krejci. he might not even make the team as a prospect, his development might get stunted. Connor sure thats a miss. they went debrusk and senyshyn instead if you truly want to play that game: strome, zacha, and crouse shouldnt have been taken barzal, konecny, and connor should have.

Chabot is an offensive dman, hes not a 2 way guy. Bruins at the time had krug. no reason to draft chabot, they were looking for a chara replacement. Every team could have had aho as well. so i mean the drafts all a crapshoot. I wanted Connor myself but i see why they went with debrusk instead.</div></div>

Obv every team would draft way better with hindsight (eg: Leafs and the Tyler Biggs pick). But this is an extreme example, given that the Bruins took two busts and a second liner immediately before a number one center, a top-line winger, and a top pairing D-man. Just insane to think how picking those three could of altered the Bruins past five years.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct 14 at 3:19
Thread: Hindsight into the 2015 Draft
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bhavikp27</b></div><div>Barzal, yes. Connor and Chabot, tell me you were taking them at #14 and #!5 back in 2015.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shane_Kelly</b></div><div>This argument is honestly so flawed. Cause it would change how the next couple of seasons would go aka no Mcavoy most likely.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>shmoeman</b></div><div>Well if every team had hindsight in the 2015 draft, Chabot, Barzal and maybe even Connor wouldn't even be available for the Bruins to draft. This is such a dumb narrative</div></div>

This wasn't an argument, just a for fun look at how things could of played out differently. Yes all teams could draft better with hindsight, but it's insane how Boston missed on three straight picks that were immediately followed by a 1C, a 1LW, and a 1LHD (DeBrusk is pretty solid but still). And yes of course the Bruins roster would of played out differently, but they would be significantly better than they are now if they had simply drafted three players three spots earlier. Barzal would be able to replace an aging Bergeron, Connor replaces an aging Marchand, and Chabot replaces Krug.