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F50marco

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Forum: Armchair-GM8 hours ago
Thread: Pierre Lebrun
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wreckless</b></div><div>Quarantine is 7 days following a trade. Where are you getting 1/4 of a season? Typically 3 games out of 56, so ~ 1/20. Mete and a 4th is a strawman.

Do you think my proposal would be “full value”? I’d argue it’s an overpay, but I would still do it cuz I’d argue it would make us better both now and in the future.</div></div>

I just watched Eric Engels break down the quarantine period on the SDPN and he says its 14 days and thats once he enters the country. Games are being played every other day. Maybe 1/4 isnt exact but its not far off.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uMJtfLuX_F0

Youll have to select the time stamp where they interview Eric specifically.

As for the proposal, i think its way too much. Its equivalent to more than paying the max offer sheet compensation IMO. Which I use as a rule of thumb. No player should be worth more than four 1st rounders except for generational talents UNLESS your desperate. Habs arent desperate.

I dont think there is a deal to be made this year frankly. Thats why i mentioned its better for CLB to be patient. Theyll have way more teams interested when they'll have more cap to play with. Plus the Seattle expansion may help as well.

For sure though, taking cap implications out of the situation, KK+prospect+1st is fair. In season, you got to start adding players to offset salary and cap which just makes a deal of this magnitude very hard.

Either way its all presumptive. If someone offers CLB a silly package now, my point is moot. If they get a better offer in the off season, then its valid. Theres really no way to know for sure. Only guesses.
Forum: Armchair-GM10 hours ago
Thread: Pierre Lebrun
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wreckless</b></div><div>Walk me through your thinking as to why Bergevin wouldn’t give fair value in trade right now. Also, what trade proposal do you think would represent fair market value?</div></div>

What is the need? The player wants out of Columbus, Habs are already solid down the middle already, they dont have cap to just add a player, trading players now means losing 1/4 of the season of their production due to covid protocols. Not to mention 1/4 of the season of the players theyre losing in the trade too. Habs still have to make the playoffs also. 1/4 of the season could make or break your chances in this division this year.

PLD is under contract. He has no choice but to play for CLB. Columbus controls his destiny 100%. No need to rush a deal here. As it is right now, there are so many factors that detract from Columbus maximizing value and other teams willingness to overspend.

PLD could score 5 goals all year and would still be very desired. Its not going anywhere. Hes vowed to be a good teammate so there shouldn't be any friction from that standpoint. My sole concern is Torts ego getting the better of him. If im Jarmo, id shut that down asap because it makes Jarmos job even harder. Torts should want a smooth transition also so its in his best interest.

As for "full value", its subjective. My full value might differ from yours. In my head, full value is equivalent to offer sheeting him at max compensation. As it stands right now, because Columbus is being forced to trade an asset they wouldnt normally, they've lost some negotiating power and all teams know this and hence will not give full value.

If Jarmo doesnt like it, he can choose to keep PLD but that means keeping a player that openly doesnt want to play there and the media circus that comes with it.

And just to clarify because ppl on here like to exaggerate, i do not mean that Dubois for Mete and a 4th would be fair now. CLB will still net a very nice return, just not "full value".
Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 7:02 pm
Thread: Mete as a winger question mark
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>habsfan01</b></div><div>well hes very fast, puck moving, has a good shot (not any puck luck) is passing is decent, and is defencivly decent enough</div></div>

He lacks offensive creativity and poise in the offensive zone. His shot is, absolutely his worst asset. He only scores when hes set up directly in the slot with a one timer where almost any NHL player should score from. In any other situation like slapshots from the point, etc, he barely has NHL calibre strength to score. Maybe on a breakaway if hes lucky.

Honestly i think hes better defensively than offensively. His mobility and transition game is the only reason he has played in the NHL thus far. Everything else is sub par. Good thing for him is a player like that can be an NHL regular, just not a top 4. Certainly not a offensive dman. Your thinking of Gostisbehere in Philly, he is what Mete would be if he was an offensive dman.

Anyway this whole debate was over you saying he was the Habs best offensive dman. Literally every argument or metric is against that statement. So not sure what we're even talking about anymore.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 11:12 pm
Thread: Question for my fellow Habs fans not on my ignore list - about PLD
The problem is, its not just Suzuki for PLD is it? Habs have ZERO cap space. So that trade couldn't happen til next off season anyway and if it were to happen this year, Habs would need to add another significant piece for it work, which IMO then makes it not worth it from a Habs perspective. PLD is amazing and all but that time has passed. Its not happening. I was all for Habs OS Dubois like they should have but now with what MB has done in the offseason, its too late. That money is spent.

Habs need Suzuki and his ELC contract for this year and next. Adding Dubois now means not only do they lose Suzuki, but almost certainly Tatar and Danault in free agency now as well.

BTW for the debate, PLD is the better player right now. Habs don't want to admit it but its true. Will he be for the rest of both guys careers? I'm not sure about that. Suzuki's has been getting better and better at an alarming rate and Its not like Suzuki is just a point producer, he's been very good at both ends of the ice. The hesitation to move him for PLD straight up is valid. There are more factors involved than just "whose a better player right now".
Forum: Armchair-GMJan 8 at 8:47
Thread: Dubois
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BStinson</b></div><div>The only recent time I can recall benefiting from LTIR is when Toronto acquired Clarkson to give them a little cushion to sign Marner during the season. They were under the cap pre-trade and Marner was still unsigned and available cap space isn’t a quick formula as you have to adjust daily and injuries/paper trades occur effecting the figures. Here’s an article that discusses this a little bit.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pensionplanpuppets.com/platform/amp/2020/9/14/21431004/the-end-of-ltir-and-the-maple-leafs</div></div>

Thanks!

So if Vegas was under the cap pre Dubinsky trade, the same way Toronto was pre Clarkson trade, wouldn't the same apply if they then had a player they wanted to use that cap space on? Lets say they wanted to sign Grabner as a UFA as Toronto wanted with Marner as an RFA.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan 8 at 8:16
Thread: Blockbuster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mhockey91</b></div><div>you think PLD has more value than Laine? assuming Roslovic &gt; Bemmstrom</div></div>

I think value is irrelevant at this point. Both guys by virtue of wanting out of their respective teams give those teams less leverage to trade with the other 29 teams. Negotiating with eachother IMO is probably the only way they'd both get close to fair value for each other. Roslovic and Bemmstrom were just added for extra flair but not needed. Roslovic probably the better player but also wants out which hurts his trade value so wtv, I just threw those two in.

I think PLD is the absolute best WPG could hope for trading Laine and vice versa for Columbus with PLD. I don't think either team can expect better returns in terms of value. No one is giving Zegras, Rackell and 1st for either guy.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan 8 at 7:49
Thread: Dubois
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BStinson</b></div><div>Yes, but think of it this way. Let’s say Vegas is at 80M without Dubinsky’s contract (let’s round down to 5M for simple math) that brings Vegas to 85M or 3.5M over the salary cap thus not letting them accrue space for the trade deadline. Now you put Dubinsky on LTIR and that brings you to compliance back at your original cap amount of 80M. So effectively you’re paying for a contract that gives you absolutely no benefit and doesn’t let you accrue space for a trade deadline acquisition.</div></div>

Ok let me get this straight (because i seem to think I understand LTIR when in reality I still don't after all these years :squinty ) If Vegas wanted to get the max benefit of this LTIR they would have needed to have a cap of 75.64M?