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Forum: NHL TradesJun. 17 at 3:24 p.m.
Thread: (MTL/VGK) - Weber for Dadonov
Awesome trade for both teams. Maybe slightly better for MTL but its really negligible if anything. In order to see the true value of it, you'll need to be patient though.

Vegas gets their cap situation fixed for the next 4 years practically and given that they will be going all in every year for a while, they'll be able to go over the cap to squeeze everyone in nicely.

MTL instead of paying a 4th or whatever to get rid of Weber's contract to a team like Arizona, they take on salary instead, which wasn't what they wanted originally, but a player who is still good enough to raise his value this season so that he could be traded with max retention for a potential draft pick, prospect, etc. So they get a warm body for most of the year and an asset to potentially move at the TDL.

There really isn't any downside to this trade. Even if Dadanov stinks the bed this year, Habs are still out of LTIR hell without having to pay anything other than money. Which the Habs owner is loaded with. They don't expect to be a playoff team next year so they aren't expecting to spend up to the cap anyway so its all good.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 4 at 1:12 p.m.
Thread: Nurse out no matter how
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>1. Savard and Romanov as well as the rest of the Habs D did a superb job in containing them in 2 of the 3 meetings this season. Sure we lost all 3 games but twice were in O.T.

2. Sure he would be our #1 D but that isn't hard when you look at our current D lineup lol.

3. I would rather keep Anderson over getting Pooparty. If we are getting a goalie replacement for Allen it should be a younger one not an older one. The 1st and 2nd are so late they are more like a 2nd and 3rd.

4. We are getting slightly older not younger with this trade. The average age of our 3 is 29 where as the average age of the Oils 3 is 30.3 AND the picks are in high round but LATE in those rounds, that doesn't make them high picks.</div></div>

Habs get draft picks. Check.
Habs get the best player in the deal at a better cap hit. Check.
Habs get younger. Check. (Younger where it matters - using the 1 year of Smith to make your average higher is a weak argument and you know it)

This is a no brainer for the Habs but good thing for you is EDM wouldn't never do this. So its a moot point anyway.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 3 at 11:51 p.m.
Thread: Nurse out no matter how
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>Habs pass big time, there is a reason Oilers fans are trying to dump Nurse. He is good offensively but just another Tyson Barrie defensively. We need/want good 2 way defenseman not one dimensional players. Have you not seen enough of the likes of Hoffman and Drouin? Now you want to add their defensive version in Nurse?! Thanks but no thanks.</div></div>

Yeah cuz EDM fans aren't being totally rational right now, right? lol Maybe we should see Romanov and Savard try and contain Mackinnon and Makar, Im sure they'd be looking real good.... :rolleyes

The guy is playing hurt right now. Its definitely not his best hockey right now but when he's healthy, he's the #1 dman on the Habs for the foreseeable future. Nurse is only 27 years old @ 7.75M and plays 25 mins a night. Nurse will be the same age Petry is now, when his contract ends......

Then there is also the fact the Habs are getting a 24 year old Puljujarvi, a vet G to replace Allen and a 1st and 2nd rounder out of this. All while the rebuilding Habs are losing no picks and only moving players over the age of 28...

Habs get younger, the best player in the trade AND high draft picks........ Come on now. I guarantee Habs would make this trade. I also guarantee EDM wouldn't.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 3 at 8:28 p.m.
Thread: trades that almost happened oilers edition
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Blazingbat11</b></div><div>Plenty of rumors from the PK trade of who opted out it. Some people said it was EDM that backed out and opted to moving Hall, other have said Habs backed out because they thought Dubois would of been available at 4th overall.</div></div>

Yep. The widely reported rumor was Subban + 9ov for Hall + 4ov (assuming Dubois was available at 4) which never materialized obviously. Apparently MTL asked about Draisaitl earlier but Chiarelli turned it down. They probably then shifted to Hall and either MB just didn't think Hall was his type of guy or Chiarelli backed out plus Dubois eventually was picked at 3 so he kind of just backed out also.

If Columbus didn't take Dubois, that trade would have been made. 100% Even if Habs had to add a little extra to get it done for arguments sake. Imagine what the Habs would have looked like had it went through. SMH
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 29 at 7:11 p.m.
Thread: Petry to Detroit and value discussion
Petry could be easily traded but there are sooooo many factors that dictate the value in a trade for him.

- Is Petry's family willing to stay in MTL now that covid is less rampant or not?
- Does he only want to go to teams that are in Michigan's vicinity? Det, Clb, Pitt, etc
- Would the Habs entertain retention?
- Are the Habs willing to take back a cap dump player to offset Petry cap a little?
- Are Habs trying to be competitive next year or rebuild/retooling?

Depending on all these questions, the value can vary greatly. Could be anywhere from Khudobin+3rd to cap dump+1st+prospect. Petry's willingness to stay in MTL is probably the biggest factor in his value. If the Habs aren't forced to move him any more, than the price can be set and negotiated. If he wants out, the Habs are kind of forced to negotiate from a point of weakness which would yield a not great return. Nothing silly bad but nothing Hughes could spin as a win in his favor.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 28 at 6:11 p.m.
Thread: Upsettingly realistic
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Stadel</b></div><div>I just assume some sort of mid to late pay pick for whoever takes him. I take your point, but I believe part of the rumoured reason the league nixed the weber/arizona deal is because they dont like the optics of a team paying picks for a player just to get the floor. IIRC, they really pushed the "if you're only going to the cap floor can your actual salary invested in the team be at least close to that?" with the owners.</div></div>

Yeah I heard that too. Obviously this is all hearsay but I also heard that the way they'd accept it is if they make it an actual hockey deal. That obviously takes more time to do so both GM's couldn't make it work before the TDL. I still think it will happen but both teams will need to add some pieces to make look a little less obvious. Maybe a couple extra roster players added or something along those lines.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 28 at 5:20 p.m.
Thread: Upsettingly realistic
Not all "cap dumps" are equal. Some actually have <strong>value</strong> because of how the salary cap works. Weber's contract actually has value to some teams. Arizona specifically because you can pay him very little actual money to take up a lot of cap space. If that's what you want to do. Arizona wants to do that because the league forces them to spend 60M+ in cap every eyar but Arizona doesn't want to actually spend that money because they're sort of broke and aren't trying to win now anyway.

By getting Weber and paying a million bucks, Arizona gets save <strong>millions of dollars.</strong>

Montreal isn't pressed to move him because they want to sign a free agent or anything. They're rebuilding so there is no pressure for them to do anything. Having to do "cap gymnastics" is the only negative draw back to keeping Weber but its not a problem. Its just a nuisance. If they can move for free they'll do it. If they can get a team to pay them a draft pick or two, that's gravy but they won't pay some team to get rid of him. Or at the very least if its costs them like a 7th rounder, fine but nothing of substantial value.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 27 at 1:31 p.m.
Thread: Sharks Blockbuster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>justaBoss</b></div><div>Sharks' benefits are certainly coming at a later point compared to Florida, but I think the additions of Luostarinen and Benning will be beneficial in the long run for them. They're not going to be successful anyway in the next few years so this is one way of gathering some future assets and some that helps them stay relatively competitive in the short term as well.</div></div>

Is Luostarinen and Benning that big of a deal though? I think i would rather have the cap retention spot available and the probably early 2nd rounder personally. Plus Hill is an easy trade for a pick at the TDL.

Montour is an ok replacement but certainly not going to much for them overall and is not exactly that young core player anymore. He's 28 and being moved around for a reason. Eetu is what, a bottom 6 center/winger I guess. Benning is a coin toss of ever making the NHL. Like what are they really gaining here? If anything not very much and its risk either way so might as well stick with what you know IMHO.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 27 at 1:12 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 25 at 1:59 p.m.
Thread: rip off the bandaid
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JustanIdea</b></div><div>Really good point. I don't get why Habs fans keep exploring this cause the value that would make if for NJ to trade this pick would be beyond what the Habs would want to give and if they did give up the appropriate amount then they would loss as much as they gain.</div></div>

Because Habs fans have been subjected to terrible drafting and development over the past decade and a half to the point of where they feel the need to hedge their bets by getting ALL the top picks in the draft. That way at least 1 will definitely become a star and no one can make fun of them again for drafting another Kotkaniemi or Galchenyuk.

Don't get me wrong, the 2OV pick is worth this but Habs would be silly to do it. CC is already a star. Trading one star for another potential one makes no sense. At least with CC we already know what we got, as good as I think Slafkovsky is and will be, he could very well be another Jesse Puljujarvi. Why risk it?
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