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Forum: Armchair-GM6 hours ago
Thread: Just Humor me would of could of
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>We_Want_The_Cup</b></div><div>Can someone explain the Gourde situation btw? He's still hovering around 0.5ppg while on the 4th line. Obviously still lower than expectation, but what's up with him?</div></div>

Much better player than is let on by some ppl only looking at his stats this year do. The problem is he was given the veteran NHL'er contract based on only a season and a month of NHL experience and that was way too risky IMO. They bet and "lost" that he would continue to be a 60 point player. I think the idea of him being the next St Louis was just too hard to pass by and they decided to extend him for way too much, way too long and with a trade clause too boot.

On one hand they had a 64 point, 26 year old rookie. On the other hand they had a player whose 5'9, undrafted and who overachieved playing on one of the league best teams this side of the millennium.

All this to say, if TB is trying to move him for pennies on the dollar and he is willing to waive his NTC, I think he would be a solid cheap pick up for any team looking for quality depth.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 5:56 pm
Thread: Knock off the Price trades
I'm just going to put this out there.

I think the consensus around CF is that no team should trade for CP and I tend to agree as well BUT there are numerous hockey personalities online/radio etc who have stated that a trade <em>could </em>happen under the <strong>right</strong> circumstances. Those circumstances are obviously super specific but they are technically not impossible. Let's not forget, there was a GM who thought trading unprotected 1sts was a good idea or trading FOR Lucic was a good idea. Some of these guys don't think the way many of us on CF do.....

We may agree that we wouldn't do it but are you 100% there isn't a single GM in the NHL that wouldn't? I have to say, I am not certain of that.

Honestly I am less annoyed with the idea of trading Price than I am with the returns people think he'll get. At the end of the day, bring on the Price the trades! Just try to make them somewhat realistic as to spark a discussion about it.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 4:30 pm
Thread: Dissapointments no more
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WhatNowDiscussion</b></div><div>Mittelstadt, Casey: top 6 center
Thompson, Tage: middle six center
Ceci, Cody: extra depth on a weak defensive team

For

Ehlers, Nikolaj: top six winger
third round pick

seems pretty fair to me</div></div>


I fixed it:

Mittelstadt, Casey: Potential to be a top 6 center but hasn't proven it yet. Currently is a sheltered 3rd line center.
Thompson, Tage: Potential top 9 winger but hasn't proven it yet. Currently is a callup forward.
Ceci, Cody: extra depth on a weak defensive team

For

Ehlers, Nikolaj: Currently is a top 6 winger
third round pick


While I'm not one of those who thinks Mittlestadt and Thompson are busts now just because they aren't dominating yet, they've lost a little of that intrigue that newly drafted players who haven't played in the NHL yet have. I don't think the value is that far off, if I were WPG I'd respectfully decline for the time being.
Forum: San Jose SharksWed at 2:20 pm
Thread: Question about Burns
I know everyone wants a team full of 24 year old, 4M cap hit, 100 point scorers but that just isn't reality.

Burns will probably decline and more than likely won't be "worth" 8M when he's 38 but he doesn't necessarily need to be either. He's coming off 60+ and 80+ point seasons as a dman playing 25+ mins a night and well on his way to another 60 point season this year despite the team around him being poor. Even if he were to round out being a 30-40 point guy by the time the contract ends, he'd have been worth every penny.

People often forget that you have to take the good with the bad with a contract and hope that the good outweighs the bad throughout that entire time as a whole. If I had to choose between a star dman for 4 years then a declining dman for the last 4 years, over nothing at all, I'd take Burns till he's 40. With that said it all comes down to rate of decline and if he's still doing what he's doing at 34, I don't think he'll slow down rapidly to the point of buyout candidate.

If his rate of decline is like that of Brent Seabrooks than yeah but if he's still pumping out offensive numbers but just can't play 27 mins a night anymore so he needs a little more sheltered minutes, so be it. Don't forget you paid 8M for an 80+ point dman not too long ago, technically on a season by season basis, that's worth easily 11M like Karlsson. So you got him for cheaper than he should have been also.

From the looks of it, Burns makes me think he'll still be able to provide value as he ages, just like Shea Weber will. If you are expecting them to remain Norris calibre dmen until their contracts are over, you'll be disappointed but then again they don't have to be. They just can't be straight up <em>bad. </em>
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 1:06 pm
Thread: All Trade Deadline Possibilities for Wingers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Arom5477</b></div><div>While I agree with that, I can harken back to what GMJR said about Tanev when he signed him, "But at the end of the day, if you don’t give the player in free agency what they’re looking for at what the going rate is, guess what? You don’t have the player. So, we could be sitting here right now without him, talking about, ‘We could use a player, maybe someone like Brandon Tanev.’ Or, we could just have him right now."

Now in that quote, replace "free agency with trades/trade deadline" and replace Tanev with Toffoli.

Also, it may be an unpopular opinion, but I think Toffoli would be the better get. His possession numbers have been incredible on a terrible LA team. All the while, Zucker's possession metrics have been iffy even when the Wild have been competitive and his goal scoring is best described as volatile.

My take: Go with the better goal scoring version of Simon in Toffoli instead of the worse possession version of Rust in Zucker.</div></div>

I think either player brings equal traits to the discussion. The contracts are what separate the players value IMO. Thinking about it with all aspects involved, I'd go for the guy whose locked up long term and would cost the equivalent of the guy whose UFA at years end and may want to go to warmer climate come July 1st for all we know.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 12:26 pm
Thread: Weak Link winning streak
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HabsForEver</b></div><div>We were in a playoff spot until these injuries started. You are severely underrating this team. They almost made it last year, and they proved it at the beginning of the season they weren't overachieving.</div></div>

Once again, not doubting that they are "good" players. You are diverging to far from the whole point of the original comment. Habs 3rd and 4th lines based on stats and at least my opinion of the eye test show they aren't one of the best in the league. That's the debate here. Not whether I like Armia and KK or whatnot. I like our players but I'm going to call a spade a spade. They're decent but not nearly best in the league good.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HabsForEver</b></div><div>Would rather have two players playing at 70% than one at 100% and one at 10%.

Perhaps cheer for a different team or be quiet if you are that simply minded.</div></div>

I prefer not playing Kovy at all if he can't play 4th line. (where he'd slot if the others are healthy) Much rather play players where they belong and Armia was outstanding this year and deserving of minimum 3rd line duties. Playing him on the 4th line would be a slap in the face motivationally and wouldn't help the Habs as much as you think (70%). Habs have other options than Kovy for the 4th line role if that's the case. It doesn't have to be two players at 70%. It can be Armia at 100% and Poehling/Cousins at 100% (playing 4th line where they currently would slot if everyone is healthy).

Don't get salty. I disagreed with you is all. Nothing <em>simple</em> minded about it. That line of thinking is not what I want from a coach in Montreal. You can think the exact opposite if you'd like and we can agree to disagree about it. Doesn't make me any less a fan than yourself.