May 29, 2015
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>I agree, but that's what everyone on this site hates to hear. If you say that the offer doesn't have enough quality or isn't a fit fit your team, you're unreasonable because you're getting "such value". If you explain that value doesn't mean much if it doesn't fill team needs, then it just means you're a homer.
Most people here seem to want to **** and moan about their lowball offers being rejected rather than try and see what reasonable options are out there that help both teams.</div></div>
Just a general observation:
Some posters on this site feel they need to try and convince other particular people's minds in order to validate their own thoughts...... You don't always have to. Not every GM would have done the Kapanen+ for a 2020 1st+ trade. Obviously some did. You'll never get a perfect consensus, especially on here on whether a trade is fair or not. Sometimes you got to just believe in your analysis (Assuming you've done an acceptable amount of research) and just agree to disagree. Maybe you are both right. Maybe Laine is worth the above trade and maybe Winnipeg still doesn't accept. That is also an option. Just because you offer fair value, doesn't mean someone HAS to accept it. Factors like negotiation, ownership pressure, timing, budgets, etc are all things you can't simulate on here which all play are part in making a trade truly "fair".
On the flip side, some posters feel the need to be overly conservative on their analysis's of trades for their teams players to ensure they never look like they "lose" a trade on here. I get it, I do it too sometimes but I think its important to give two perspectives. Your own because that's why your here, right?...but also what you think the real GM would do. They are from time to time not perfectly aligned. Actually they often aren't and admitting an offer is something the real GM might at the very least consider, while you'd totally be against doing is nice way to move the conversation forward without it turning into troll show.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Eli</b></div><div>Kuznetsov has three seasons between 70 and 90 points. He led the playoffs in points in 2018 and finished 2nd in playoff MVP voting to Ovechkin. His value is not similar to Danault or Domi, although Danault had a terrific year in 2019-20, and Domi had a terrific year in 2018-19. If you count Danault, Domi, and Mete at 6M, 5M, and 1M for a 12M total, MTL is taking on less than 2M of cap hit and balancing roster spots. Kuznetsov's cap hit is 7.8M, Panik's is 2.75, and Kempny's is 2.5. (but comments keep telling me to pay the MTL guys more). I built the MTL side before today's RFA rights trade, so I could see a slight objection to Kempny now, and I'm open to suggestions: <a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/364202?post_id=1748685">https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/364202?post_id=1748685</a></div></div>
Oh I know who Kuzy is. I also know that player's with that pedigree are never actively shopped by there fan base yet here you are. I would love Kuzy on my team but he screams either buyer beware or only if the price is right type player. IMO the price is not right. (Conversely it isn't bad either if that's what you are thinking, just not "right")
The trade scenarios I mentioned above that suit the Habs IMO would make virtually impossible to make a deal. I think the best way to get a Danault to Wsh deal would be a 3 way or just a separate trade to get other assets the Habs would want.