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JTBF81
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Armchair-GM
11 hours ago
Thread:
Moving miller
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hawksguy81</b></div><div>Tampa probably considers that if they are forced to trade Colton, but they'd want a cost controlled LHD instead of the pick. A Rathbone-like guy. Not too up on my Canuck LHD. Sorry. But I agree. Podz is a good fit for Tampa.</div></div>
Rathbone isn't much of an upgrade over the young LHD Tampa already has in Syracuse in Carlile. Unless Tampa is getting an established actual NHL LD, I don't see them moving Colton.
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Armchair-GM
12 hours ago
Thread:
Moving miller
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Brolekb2b</b></div><div>TB probably declines?? Colton package looks like it can and probably will get beat by another team
I don't know enough about Podkolzin to voice an opinion on him, but feel like TB would want another cheap roster ready player back instead of a late 4th round pick.</div></div>
I think Tampa definitely declines this. Podkolzin is a downgrade and the 4th doesn't make up the difference at all. Tampa, if they actually entertain trade offers on Colton, should be looking for a young LD that is already somewhat established in the league(POJ, Bahl, Broberg etc) and a bottom 6 F type that is also cost controlled, or a F prospect that is close. Vancouver doesn't seem to have the dman Tampa would be looking for, so I don't see them as a.good trading partner here.
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 2:30 a.m.
Thread:
Team 6 out of 6
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ed98</b></div><div>Make a bet w ya ? I say Killorn is signed TB and Colton goes . Name the bet price n I'm good w it . Wink lmao</div></div>
Regardless, Tampa declines, as they would get a better offer from 30 teams. Colton is younger, cheaper, and has a top 6 role ready for him moving ahead. Even if Killorn took some lowball offer to stay, and Tampa looked to move Colton, they would very easily turn this offer down. Chicago doesn't really have the pieces Tampa is probabaly looking for in a Colton trade anyway, as they don't ha e a young, cost controlled 3LD that's ready to step in and be a regular next year(likely the main piece Tampa would be looking for, in addition to another solid F prospect).
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 2:17 a.m.
Thread:
Team 6 out of 6
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ed98</b></div><div>Bolts don't have enough cash and Killorn will eat up that cash quick . Can't sign players w iou's lmao</div></div>
Killorn is walking almost 100%, and there's the money for Colton lol. Tampa isn't moving him.for garbage offers lol.
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 1:57 a.m.
Thread:
Hmmm
Tampa declines. No interest in moving Colton for a 2nd round pick.
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 1:56 a.m.
Thread:
Team 6 out of 6
Not for Tampa, they decline pretty quickly.Colton, if he is traded,will return far better than this. Tampa won't be looking for picks for him either.
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 1:40 a.m.
Thread:
Options keep killorn and move Colton
Tampa declines quickly. They don't care about two 2nd round picks. Good luck getting Ross to sign an OS in Detroit as well. If Tampa does move him, it's for a deal with a solid amd cost controlled youngish 3LD +solid F prospect that's close to ready or is ready. Tampa declines a pick offer very easily.
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Armchair-GM
Sun. at 12:06 a.m.
Thread:
TBL offseason trading Colton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>flyersfan412</b></div><div>I would honestly just give Colton the money he is asking for and let Killorn walk. I understand the attachment because he truly is a Tampa icon, but it would be best for the team to part ways with him. Hedman is starting to decline, Stamkos will be next. Going younger will help much more imo.</div></div>
Hedman isn't declining, he dealt with an injury most of the year. He was fine in the playoffs and is still easily one of the best dmen in the game if healthy. Killorn has only got better the past 3 years, and while Colton is likely going to be cheaper and has similar abilities, if Killorn is willing to take the discounted long-term deal and Colton wants too much, it is possible Tampa keeps Killorn and gets value for Colton. Stamkos is also going nowhere more than likely, and while most Tampa fans wish he would do more in the playoffs some times, he's shown little decline in his game.
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Armchair-GM
Sun. at 12:01 a.m.
Thread:
Whats The Return
Tampa quickly declines that offer for either.
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Armchair-GM
Sat. at 10:03 p.m.
Thread:
TBL offseason trading Colton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>flyersfan412</b></div><div>Why do all Lightning fans want to go long term with Killorn? Would be so much better off letting him walk and using that money for a younger and more skilled guy. The AAV on that is also horrid, you'll be paying 40 year old Killorn almost $4M.</div></div>
Cap will be much higher by the time Killorn's game fell off in this scenario. Tampa isn't finding anyone else better than Killorn in the 3.5-4 range aav. Most likely Killorn walks and Colton stays long term, but if Tampa valued Killorn more, a long-term deal like this would have to be the way it worked.
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Armchair-GM
Wed. at 3:57 p.m.
Thread:
why bring colton back to be bottom 6
Colton won't be bottom 6 next season is the real answer. Killorn is out, so Tampa's top 6 is likely Hagel-Point-Kuch, Colton-Cirelli/Paul-Stamkos. The 3rd line will be centered by either Cirelli or Paul, with Jeannot at one wing and probably one of Goncalves or ABB on the other. The 4th line will be Maroon, Eyssimont and whichever 4C ufa they go out and get in the 1.5-2 range more than likely.
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Armchair-GM
May 30 at 12:19 a.m.
Thread:
TBL 24-25
Lol, Colton a bottom line C...Very obvious some ppl on here have very little knowledge of Colton beyond a stat sheet. Tampa very likely declines this since a mid to late 2nd 2 drafts away means very little to them, and C prospects that aren't even a guarantee to come over aren't what Tampa would be looking for.
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Armchair-GM
May 27 at 7:36 p.m.
Thread:
Go for broke and get big
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Point21</b></div><div>My issue with Colton is he was stuck to Paul's hip for roughly 80% of the season and Cooper refused to play either of them in the top 6. Even with Killorn gone, i have a feeling we are gonna see the return of Colton-Paul-Jeannot in some fashion with a guy like BB, Goncalves, or even some FA signing getting a shot on the 2nd line before Colton</div></div>
Well then Cooper is stupid(not that I haven't had that opinion of his line combos many times before). It should be Colton-Paul-Stamkos initially to see if the Paul-Stamkos combo can find the magic they had initially this season. I think Cirelli is an integral piece of the team, but breaking up the Killorn-Paul-Stamkos line when Cirelli came back bc they had to jam Cirelli at 2C was one of the biggest mistakes made in several years. The Killorn-Paul-Stamkos line was one of the top 3 in the league before they were broken up, and Paul's game floundered the rest of the year. I would start the year with
Hagel-Point-Kuch
Colton-Paul-Stamkos
ABB/Goncalves/Balcers-Cirelli-Jeannit/Eyssimont
Maroon-Eyssimont/4C acquisition-Jeannot/Eyssimont
I think Paul has the offensive upside to work as the 2C, as it was clearly working the first 2 months of this past season.
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Armchair-GM
May 27 at 6:30 p.m.
Thread:
Go for broke and get big
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Point21</b></div><div>He very well could be looking to cash in 1 last time while he can, but hes also stated many times that he wants to stay in Tampa and would have retired if Seattle picked him. JBB could use that as a ploy to get him to take a discount for 1 last run and keep the band together for the most part. Does Killorn value money over staying somewhere his whole career? Just look at all of Tampas big UFAs and how much of a discount they took to stay in Tampa. Stamkos had offers of 10m+ and said no. Palat chased money while he was still in his prime and Tampa didnt make an offer.</div></div>
Brisebois did reportedly make an offer to Palat's camp, but it wasn't a very good one, so he rightfully cashed in elsewhere. I agree Killorn might be more likely to take a hometown discount, but I don't see the team prioritizing him over Colton. Colton should be able to match(or come very close) to what Killorn brought offensively once he gets a consistent top 6 role. If Tampa was looking to move Colton and Detroit was interested, Rasmussen 1 for 1 would be one of the few options I've seen that works for Tampa. Most of the garbage offers of 2nd+3rd in '24, Zadina+3rd or Veleno+2nd Brisebois would have to do his best not laugh at.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 26 at 12:20 a.m.
Thread:
What if Cirelli trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Steven_Stamkos</b></div><div>Right right. Killer pulls so much weight, it's going to be a gaping hole with him gone. Cirelli has been following his lead and I believe he's gonna be the guy to take that role. He's already excellent on the PK and defensively 5v5. He plays on the powerplay, albeit in a sheltered roll. He's going to be leaned on much much more going forward. The question of whether he needs to offensively step up is an interesting one. If he provides so much value defensively and in multiple other ways/situations, but only gets 40-60 points a season, is that a bad thing? I mean he's a tad lower than where Killorn's offensive production is, but he also plays center so I think you can argue that he could get more of a pass. A pass on lower than average offensive production for a 2C making 6.25 I mean. Because he brings so much value to the rest of the teams game.
Offense was something I had a concern with for most of last regular season. Obviously our defense was worse than it has been for years with no Ryan or Jan back there, and being thinner as a whole. It felt like we just tried to outscore our defensive issues most of the regular season. And for most of the 82 games I felt like we relied way too heavily on PP1 and our top line to due the heavy lifting. With Killorn leaving, I fear the same thing will happen this year. I'm a giant Eyssimont stan at this point in time, and I think he's going to need to be a guy who has a big breakout year and helps out offensively. Point Kuch and Hags will do what they do. Stammer will contribute. Cirelli is middle of the road, it would be great if he finds his scoring touch, but it's not the end of the world if he doesn't. Paul is very streaky, Colton should be getting top 6 minutes and hopefully he can breakout too and post 20+ goals and 50+ish points. Who knows what kind of season Jeannot will have. 4th line will likely be a mixing bowl until Christmas.
In conclusion to this novel of a comment, defensively as a whole, we need to be better for the majority of the season. Cause I don't think outscoring our problems is sustainable with our lack of depth.</div></div>
If Cirelli can go from a mid 40's point player to mid 50's, that would be great. Colton should definitely see an increase in production with, hopefully, consistent top 6 time this season. Guys like Paul, Jeannot, Eyssimont and whomever they promote from Suracuse/acquire in ufa will also need to step up a little more next season. I'm not too worried about the offense overall, as they've been between 3.2 and 3.5 gf/g the last 4 seasons.
Defensively, they have slipped from between 2.5 and 2.8 ga/g to close to 3.1 this past year, but with Perbix amd Raddysh having another year, plus Hedman, Serg and Cernak at full strength, there should be improvement there. I also expect the team to find a decent stay at home dman to round out the group as well, while Carlile is also nearly ready.
The biggest improvement needs to be with Vasy. This past year was imo just a blip on his HoF career, but the team needs to find a backup that can play at least 25-30 games competently. Vasy also needs to both manage himself and be managed better during the regular season so he's ready to be Conn Smythe Vasy by playoffs.
As the cap moves closer to 90 million in the next few years, Tampa should be okay in that regard. The majority of the core is still in their mid to late 20's or just barely 30, outside of Stamkos and Hedman. Heard alot of talk lately about how Tampa's window is basically closed, but imo, as long as JBB makes a few key moves, that's far from reality.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 25 at 7:13 p.m.
Thread:
What if Cirelli trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Steven_Stamkos</b></div><div>Interesting trade. I think this would make Tampa much weaker though. He catches a lot of heat for his low production and his new contract, but I think he's extremely valuable. He's among elite defensive company for center men and he's only going to improve. The value is interesting. I don't think I'd do it for these particular pieces though. I mean I like Roslovic and Robinson. But Roslovic will need to get paid more if he gets offered a contract extension after his current deal expires. So he will almost certainly be making more than the 2 mil because of retention. With Hagel getting a large raise and Stamkos not getting any younger, I think this move puts us in hot water for the 2024-2025 season. We will be in the same extreme cap crunch with having to give Hagel 5-7.5 mil probably. Stamkos will take a pay cut. Raddysh will definitely get a raise, even if it is minimal. And we will once again have to fill out the depth D and bottom 6.Although guys like Goncalves, Finley, Edmonds, Sillinger, Carlile will fill those roles, I think moving Cirelli, especially for a couple UFAs requires some more math and future planning so it doesn't end up just being a one season move that puts us right back in a jam after the seasons over</div></div>
I agree there could be some issues after this upcoming season, but the cap is projected to finally start increasing by more than a million as well, which will help. I don't think they move Cirelli either, but as far as the overall F group being weaker...not 100% about that. Keeping Cirelli means Killorn is gone, and with limited cap space left after likely using 4.5-5 between Colton and Jeannot, you end up with comparing the roster above(which doesn't even have Sillinger on it yet), to what it probably looks like this year. That would be +Cirelli, +one additional Crunch player(Goncalves I'd guess), and possibly a 4C like Acciari or Nosek. Cirelli, Goncalves, maybe Bjugstad/Acciari/Nosek vs Killorn, Roslovic, Robinson, Sillinger.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 24 at 10:04 p.m.
Thread:
Cirelli trade
Perry and Bellemare are more than likely gone. If Tampa entertained this kind of trade, which I highly doubt, they'd then likely keep Killorn with the extra space. He'd likely be willing to take a discount to stay in Tampa, and Barbashev is going to get crazy overpay offers of 5+, maybe approaching 6 after the playoffs he's having. I hope Tampa trades for Seeler, and saves some money there while getting the 2G they need to give Vasy the extra reg season games he needs to stay fresher.
All that being said, I just dont see Tampa moving Cirelli after they gave him the long extension, but if they did, they might consider this(although many other teams would be submitting offers if Brisebois made him available). I'd want Eric Robinson as part of the deal as well@50% if possible, although it wouldn't necessarily be a dealbreaker. Maybe Tampa added something small, maybe not if there was a bidding war.
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Armchair-GM
May 21 at 6:55 p.m.
Thread:
2024
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Outlandish_Trades</b></div><div>The Rangers have two young/cheap LHD in Robertson and Jones. Would including either of them in the trade make it more manageable (if Fleury isn’t a long-term answer for the bottom pair)?</div></div>
It's possible. Tampa would likely be looking for elc types, either for 3LD or as a F replacement, in any trade involving Colton. While Jones is more NHL ready it seems, Robertson is more the type of dman Tampa usually goes after.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 21 at 6:44 p.m.
Thread:
2024
Tampa likely declines. A lot would depend on if Tampa had a replacement ready to sign in ufa, or if they had some kind of trade in the works where they used the '24 1st to acquire said roster replacement. In a vacuum though, Tampa should decline, as the '24 1st means little to a team in Tampa's position.
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Armchair-GM
May 19 at 10:52 p.m.
Thread:
Lets get freaky
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leahyl29</b></div><div>It’s not about whether or not you’re in win now mode. You don’t have room to keep him unless you dump cap.</div></div>
Tampa declines and they have to move zero cap to keep him. Killorn isn't coming back, which has been the plan for a while. There's room for Colton. A 2nd and a 3rd doesn't even get JBB on the phone
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Armchair-GM
May 19 at 10:47 p.m.
Thread:
Canucks Next Season
If Colton actually accepted that OS, Tampa says thanks and matches instantly.
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Armchair-GM
May 13 at 12:49 a.m.
Thread:
So cap strapped
Tampa declines on both. Killorn is gone, and there's room for Colton. No need for JBD, as Tampa is set on RD. They'll likely trade or send Fleury down and get a slight upgrade at 3LD, then promote at least one of Barre-Boulet or Goncalves. They'll re-sign Jeannot and then acquire a ufa 4C for 1.5-2 millionldepending on exact numbers of the Colton and Jeannot contracts). If they trade Myers, they won't take any cap back unless it's cap they can bury with no hit. Tampa may be interested in Kasteluc for 4C, but not if Colton isnthe cost.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 13 at 12:42 a.m.
Thread:
23-24
Tampa declines. No upgrade for Tampa and no certainty of any cap savings. It's an easy pass.
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Armchair-GM
May 11 at 8:59 p.m.
Thread:
TBL offseason moves v4
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MorHitzSeider</b></div><div>Oh my my
Oh hell yeah
ABB put on a blue and white party dress.
Last dance with ABB
One more chance to make the Tampa Bay team
I don't know if he can score
But he ain't no spring chicken no more
<div class="yt_out_cont"><div class="yt_cont"><iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/aowSGxim_O8" frameborder="0"></iframe></div></div></div></div>
So you have no good evidence against ABB just like the other guy, just more worthless garbage.
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Armchair-GM
May 11 at 8:52 p.m.
Thread:
TBL offseason moves v4
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MorHitzSeider</b></div><div>Oh sure. He's Marty St. Louis. Just hasn't been given a proper chance.</div></div>
32 games is not a real chance but okay.....
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