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Forum: Armchair-GM12 hours ago
Thread: Moving miller
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Brolekb2b</b></div><div>TB probably declines?? Colton package looks like it can and probably will get beat by another team
I don't know enough about Podkolzin to voice an opinion on him, but feel like TB would want another cheap roster ready player back instead of a late 4th round pick.</div></div>

I think Tampa definitely declines this. Podkolzin is a downgrade and the 4th doesn't make up the difference at all. Tampa, if they actually entertain trade offers on Colton, should be looking for a young LD that is already somewhat established in the league(POJ, Bahl, Broberg etc) and a bottom 6 F type that is also cost controlled, or a F prospect that is close. Vancouver doesn't seem to have the dman Tampa would be looking for, so I don't see them as a.good trading partner here.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 2:30 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMSun. at 12:06 a.m.
Thread: TBL offseason trading Colton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>flyersfan412</b></div><div>I would honestly just give Colton the money he is asking for and let Killorn walk. I understand the attachment because he truly is a Tampa icon, but it would be best for the team to part ways with him. Hedman is starting to decline, Stamkos will be next. Going younger will help much more imo.</div></div>

Hedman isn't declining, he dealt with an injury most of the year. He was fine in the playoffs and is still easily one of the best dmen in the game if healthy. Killorn has only got better the past 3 years, and while Colton is likely going to be cheaper and has similar abilities, if Killorn is willing to take the discounted long-term deal and Colton wants too much, it is possible Tampa keeps Killorn and gets value for Colton. Stamkos is also going nowhere more than likely, and while most Tampa fans wish he would do more in the playoffs some times, he's shown little decline in his game.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 27 at 7:36 p.m.
Thread: Go for broke and get big
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Point21</b></div><div>My issue with Colton is he was stuck to Paul's hip for roughly 80% of the season and Cooper refused to play either of them in the top 6. Even with Killorn gone, i have a feeling we are gonna see the return of Colton-Paul-Jeannot in some fashion with a guy like BB, Goncalves, or even some FA signing getting a shot on the 2nd line before Colton</div></div>

Well then Cooper is stupid(not that I haven't had that opinion of his line combos many times before). It should be Colton-Paul-Stamkos initially to see if the Paul-Stamkos combo can find the magic they had initially this season. I think Cirelli is an integral piece of the team, but breaking up the Killorn-Paul-Stamkos line when Cirelli came back bc they had to jam Cirelli at 2C was one of the biggest mistakes made in several years. The Killorn-Paul-Stamkos line was one of the top 3 in the league before they were broken up, and Paul's game floundered the rest of the year. I would start the year with
Hagel-Point-Kuch
Colton-Paul-Stamkos
ABB/Goncalves/Balcers-Cirelli-Jeannit/Eyssimont
Maroon-Eyssimont/4C acquisition-Jeannot/Eyssimont
I think Paul has the offensive upside to work as the 2C, as it was clearly working the first 2 months of this past season.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 27 at 6:30 p.m.
Thread: Go for broke and get big
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Point21</b></div><div>He very well could be looking to cash in 1 last time while he can, but hes also stated many times that he wants to stay in Tampa and would have retired if Seattle picked him. JBB could use that as a ploy to get him to take a discount for 1 last run and keep the band together for the most part. Does Killorn value money over staying somewhere his whole career? Just look at all of Tampas big UFAs and how much of a discount they took to stay in Tampa. Stamkos had offers of 10m+ and said no. Palat chased money while he was still in his prime and Tampa didnt make an offer.</div></div>

Brisebois did reportedly make an offer to Palat's camp, but it wasn't a very good one, so he rightfully cashed in elsewhere. I agree Killorn might be more likely to take a hometown discount, but I don't see the team prioritizing him over Colton. Colton should be able to match(or come very close) to what Killorn brought offensively once he gets a consistent top 6 role. If Tampa was looking to move Colton and Detroit was interested, Rasmussen 1 for 1 would be one of the few options I've seen that works for Tampa. Most of the garbage offers of 2nd+3rd in '24, Zadina+3rd or Veleno+2nd Brisebois would have to do his best not laugh at.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 26 at 12:20 a.m.
Thread: What if Cirelli trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Steven_Stamkos</b></div><div>Right right. Killer pulls so much weight, it's going to be a gaping hole with him gone. Cirelli has been following his lead and I believe he's gonna be the guy to take that role. He's already excellent on the PK and defensively 5v5. He plays on the powerplay, albeit in a sheltered roll. He's going to be leaned on much much more going forward. The question of whether he needs to offensively step up is an interesting one. If he provides so much value defensively and in multiple other ways/situations, but only gets 40-60 points a season, is that a bad thing? I mean he's a tad lower than where Killorn's offensive production is, but he also plays center so I think you can argue that he could get more of a pass. A pass on lower than average offensive production for a 2C making 6.25 I mean. Because he brings so much value to the rest of the teams game.

Offense was something I had a concern with for most of last regular season. Obviously our defense was worse than it has been for years with no Ryan or Jan back there, and being thinner as a whole. It felt like we just tried to outscore our defensive issues most of the regular season. And for most of the 82 games I felt like we relied way too heavily on PP1 and our top line to due the heavy lifting. With Killorn leaving, I fear the same thing will happen this year. I'm a giant Eyssimont stan at this point in time, and I think he's going to need to be a guy who has a big breakout year and helps out offensively. Point Kuch and Hags will do what they do. Stammer will contribute. Cirelli is middle of the road, it would be great if he finds his scoring touch, but it's not the end of the world if he doesn't. Paul is very streaky, Colton should be getting top 6 minutes and hopefully he can breakout too and post 20+ goals and 50+ish points. Who knows what kind of season Jeannot will have. 4th line will likely be a mixing bowl until Christmas.

In conclusion to this novel of a comment, defensively as a whole, we need to be better for the majority of the season. Cause I don't think outscoring our problems is sustainable with our lack of depth.</div></div>

If Cirelli can go from a mid 40's point player to mid 50's, that would be great. Colton should definitely see an increase in production with, hopefully, consistent top 6 time this season. Guys like Paul, Jeannot, Eyssimont and whomever they promote from Suracuse/acquire in ufa will also need to step up a little more next season. I'm not too worried about the offense overall, as they've been between 3.2 and 3.5 gf/g the last 4 seasons.

Defensively, they have slipped from between 2.5 and 2.8 ga/g to close to 3.1 this past year, but with Perbix amd Raddysh having another year, plus Hedman, Serg and Cernak at full strength, there should be improvement there. I also expect the team to find a decent stay at home dman to round out the group as well, while Carlile is also nearly ready.

The biggest improvement needs to be with Vasy. This past year was imo just a blip on his HoF career, but the team needs to find a backup that can play at least 25-30 games competently. Vasy also needs to both manage himself and be managed better during the regular season so he's ready to be Conn Smythe Vasy by playoffs.

As the cap moves closer to 90 million in the next few years, Tampa should be okay in that regard. The majority of the core is still in their mid to late 20's or just barely 30, outside of Stamkos and Hedman. Heard alot of talk lately about how Tampa's window is basically closed, but imo, as long as JBB makes a few key moves, that's far from reality.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 25 at 7:13 p.m.
Thread: What if Cirelli trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Steven_Stamkos</b></div><div>Interesting trade. I think this would make Tampa much weaker though. He catches a lot of heat for his low production and his new contract, but I think he's extremely valuable. He's among elite defensive company for center men and he's only going to improve. The value is interesting. I don't think I'd do it for these particular pieces though. I mean I like Roslovic and Robinson. But Roslovic will need to get paid more if he gets offered a contract extension after his current deal expires. So he will almost certainly be making more than the 2 mil because of retention. With Hagel getting a large raise and Stamkos not getting any younger, I think this move puts us in hot water for the 2024-2025 season. We will be in the same extreme cap crunch with having to give Hagel 5-7.5 mil probably. Stamkos will take a pay cut. Raddysh will definitely get a raise, even if it is minimal. And we will once again have to fill out the depth D and bottom 6.Although guys like Goncalves, Finley, Edmonds, Sillinger, Carlile will fill those roles, I think moving Cirelli, especially for a couple UFAs requires some more math and future planning so it doesn't end up just being a one season move that puts us right back in a jam after the seasons over</div></div>

I agree there could be some issues after this upcoming season, but the cap is projected to finally start increasing by more than a million as well, which will help. I don't think they move Cirelli either, but as far as the overall F group being weaker...not 100% about that. Keeping Cirelli means Killorn is gone, and with limited cap space left after likely using 4.5-5 between Colton and Jeannot, you end up with comparing the roster above(which doesn't even have Sillinger on it yet), to what it probably looks like this year. That would be +Cirelli, +one additional Crunch player(Goncalves I'd guess), and possibly a 4C like Acciari or Nosek. Cirelli, Goncalves, maybe Bjugstad/Acciari/Nosek vs Killorn, Roslovic, Robinson, Sillinger.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 24 at 10:04 p.m.
Thread: Cirelli trade
Perry and Bellemare are more than likely gone. If Tampa entertained this kind of trade, which I highly doubt, they'd then likely keep Killorn with the extra space. He'd likely be willing to take a discount to stay in Tampa, and Barbashev is going to get crazy overpay offers of 5+, maybe approaching 6 after the playoffs he's having. I hope Tampa trades for Seeler, and saves some money there while getting the 2G they need to give Vasy the extra reg season games he needs to stay fresher.

All that being said, I just dont see Tampa moving Cirelli after they gave him the long extension, but if they did, they might consider this(although many other teams would be submitting offers if Brisebois made him available). I'd want Eric Robinson as part of the deal as well@50% if possible, although it wouldn't necessarily be a dealbreaker. Maybe Tampa added something small, maybe not if there was a bidding war.