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Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 1:50 p.m.
Thread: Competitive Now and in Future
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tonyhzs</b></div><div>Philly declines. Tampa accepts. I keep seeing that people thunk that McDonaugh will net assets back. That is not how it will work out. The downside for Detroit is if McD declines, that is almost 7M against the cap for 3 more years. He is useful today and might be for the rest of the contract, but he almost certainly will not be worth his cap hit in the last couple years. This trade essentially stamps the end end of rebuilding and shifts the focus to making moves to contend. Thus makes sense as there are plenty of promising prospects due to arrive in the next 2 years, and some of them will be casualties to acquire established pkayers.</div></div>

Lol, Tampa hangs up the phone just after Yzerman finishes speaking. Well, depending on how fast JBB took to stop laughing. Thompson is going nowhere, and Tampa certainly isn't adding all that to McD just to get...Oesterle....I needed a good laugh today
Forum: Armchair-GMFri. at 11:02 p.m.
Thread: after Paul
Either McD or Killorn are gone if they want to keep a better F in Palat and 2nd best RD Rutta(which have been stressed as a priority). ABB is 100% wasted on a 4th line, if he makes the team its 2nd line or nothing more than likely. They should probably trade both for value now, but perhaps it's just McD. Of course 3LD is weak in that scenario(unless Rutta shifts there, a possibility), but that's not a huge deal. Killorn is nothing special in the playoffs unless he's getting pp1 time. It's simple asset management to keep the 1st line winger Palat, get good value for McD and Killorn, be able to find solid fill ins for them at least this year, and still have the space to keep most, if not all of the rfas next year. It will be only tougher to move McD after next year, although a buy out or if necessary, waivers, could be an option. Tampa will not sacrifice any of Serg, Cirelli, or Cernak to keep McD around past this year, tops. Since JBB probably wants to extend them this Summer if at all possible, I would expect McD to be moved sooner rather than later.
Forum: Armchair-GMFri. at 1:46 p.m.
Thread: Wings going for a playoff run
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tonyhzs</b></div><div>Except for the verified reports that Tampa has asked McD about him moving and waiving his trade protection. TB will lose one of Palat or Paul, or both.

You are correct, McD is easily a top 3 on most teams at this moment. Problem is, his style of play tends to lend itself to a lack of late career durability and sharp declines as he ages. Lidstrom aged like a fine wine, but he is the exception to the rule. Almost 7 million against the cap for 3 (?) More years, at this age, is not favorable. McD has already started the decline, as 2 years ago, I would have slotted him 1 or 2 on about 25 teams in the league. That is not at all saying he is bad, just that the cap hit can become an albatross REALLY quick. I'd liken McD to Ktonwall, who went from debatable 1D on most teams to ok bottom 2 within 2 seasons.</div></div>

Tampa already signed Paul, and if nothing can be worked out reasonably with McD, Killorn will very likely get moved in order to keep Palat and maybe Rutta.
Forum: Armchair-GMFri. at 12:19 a.m.
Thread: Wings going for a playoff run
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tonyhzs</b></div><div>Strong disagree. TB is sort of desperate to unload. They don't want to, but they have to. There is at least 3 teams NEEDING to unload salary (even when still good) . McD will cost assests. So much uncertainty in the 30s.</div></div>

No, he won't. Tampa also doesn't have to move him right now, so if the fit doesn't work for JBB and Tampa, he'll stay for.another year. He has shown no signs of serious decline, still is a #2 or #3 on many teams, and could even be argued as a #1 on some. Tampa isn't being put in a position where if they don't move him now, they have no avenue to being cap compliant. JBB is a good GM and won't be attaching assets to move someone with positive value like McD. You don't know Yampa's cap situation very well if you think otherwise.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 10:19 p.m.
Thread: Wings going for a playoff run
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tonyhzs</b></div><div>That is a fair assessment except it is now leaked that Tampa wants to move McD. He's what, 34? Yes he is still top 4, but he just nerfed his thumb. When does the rapid decline begin? Whoever gets McD probably gets a top 4 this year. After...who knows? The style he plays is not conducive to being top 4 in their 30s.</div></div>

McD just turned 33. The last year of his deal will be at 36. While there is some risk involved that last year(maybe part of the 2nd to last year), he hasn't shown any indication of sharp decline. Tampa has only asked McD for a list of possible destinations, not that a trade is a lock. Tampa isn't forced to move him right now, and thus won't get fleeced because of it. I'm sure he won't return quite as much as he could because of the more limited trade destinations(if any), but Tampa won't be adding quality assets to move him.
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