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JTBF81
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Tampa Bay Lightning
6 hours ago
Thread:
2022 Lightning Off-season Discussion
So Tampa now has 5.95 million in cap space following the McD trade. No chance they keep Rutta, after signing Palat, with Myers on the roster. Regardless of what JBB said, I still believe that by the 12th, Myers is either traded or bought out, which then gives Tampa approximately 9.1 million in space. Then Palat and Rutta can ve resigned, and Tampa would likely have 1.5ish to maybe 2 million tops to sign or trade for a 3LD. Trading Killorn as well gives Tampa around 6-6.5 most likely to address 3LD and a middle/top 6 winger replacement for Killirn. The worst option imo is keeping Killirn and Myers, as Rutta is then 100% gone and you're talking about having maybe just enough for a 3LD making 800k.
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Armchair-GM
7 hours ago
Thread:
TBL offseason moves v4
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Point21</b></div><div>Pass on Crouse. Rather use that pick on the actual draft</div></div>
Crouse may not be the right fit, but if there's a top 6 winger that could be fit in for multiple years by using 31 oa, it could be on the table. I don't disagree that Tampa should use picks to replenish the cupboards, but if they are looking for more short term impact now, the player they get at 31 isn't likely to be very helpful this coming season and only maybe in '23-'24.
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Armchair-GM
7 hours ago
Thread:
TBL offseason moves v3
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Point21</b></div><div>Id be hesitant to give Palat anything more than 3 years.</div></div>
Tampa won't be able to keep him with just a 3 year deal. Other teams will pay more on a shorter deal. The longer term is Tampa's edge perhaps.
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Armchair-GM
15 hours ago
Thread:
Meyers will be traded
Tampa will buy him out. The savings this year are important to keeping Palat and Rutta. After moving McD, there's 0 chance they let Palat walk, and Rutta should sign for less than what Myers is making. If they don't trade playoff dud Killorn(who should've been moved before McD imo), they'll have approximately 9 million in cap to sign Palat, Rutta, and a 3LD. If they move Killorn, they'll have around 13.4 to sign Palat, Rutta, a 3LD and replacement for Killorn. Either way, they'll be fine. The team lost 4 forwards after the b2b, and had to choose between losing two more impactful F this offseason or a very good, but older, dman.
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Armchair-GM
16 hours ago
Thread:
Myers plays - no buyout
Yeah, very little chance, despite what JBB said, that Myers is playing for the TBL this season. Buying him out gives Tampa approximately 7.3 million in additional space(factoring the 6.75 from McD plus the 633k from the buy out). Tampa would have almost 9 million in cap space to re-sign Palat, Rutta, and a 3LD. They could also trade Killorn and have almost 13.5 to sign those 3 plus a Killorn replacement. Hard to see Tampa rolling Myers and preferring him over Rutta,especially when Rutta more than likely stays for less then Myers' current hit.
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Armchair-GM
16 hours ago
Thread:
TBL offseason moves v2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>Looks like we just got our answer</div></div>
Yeah, oh well, it's fine. Obv not a monster return, but Tampa got what they most needed, which is cap space. McD maybe only was willing to waive to Nashville, who knows? It was still funny on here and elsewhere watching so many salivate over how much Tampa was going to have to add(or retain 50% for 4 years) to move him for nothing.
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 4:37 p.m.
Thread:
Blues Ideal Offseason v3
It would be very difficult for Tampa to retain that for 4 years. Tampa would also likely want a capable dman coming back, so I'd guess they'd want at least Mikkola as part of the trade. The retention is very difficult though.
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 2:06 p.m.
Thread:
TBL offseason moves v2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>You are right, I had Seabs NOT on LTIR AND also on McD's age. I was rounding and just saw he's 33 so I made an incorrect assumption without knowing his exact birthday that the next 4 years would be 34-38. JBB was able to get TJ and Gourde out...so...you're probably right on that last point to. They'll figure it out. They can ice a team as is.</div></div>
I agree that the full ntc complicates things some, but if it doesn't work out, Tampa probably either trades Killorn and keeps Palat or they could also let Palat walk, keep Killorn and maybe Rutta as well.
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 1:54 p.m.
Thread:
TBL offseason moves v2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>I mean the TBL are in a tough spot. Full NTC for McD and already $5.13M over the cap. Teams dont typically line up for years 34-38 and a $6.75 cap hit.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if he was waived and the TBL pull the same stuff on him as they did with TJ.</div></div>
Tampa is not 5.13 over the cap, they currently have approximately 1.75 in cap space. McD will be 36 in the last year of his contract. Tampa also does not have to move him, as there are other avenues to making the cap work with who they want for next year. If McD stays one more year, then Tampa can buy him out or waive him if necessary after next year.
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 1:50 p.m.
Thread:
Competitive Now and in Future
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tonyhzs</b></div><div>Philly declines. Tampa accepts. I keep seeing that people thunk that McDonaugh will net assets back. That is not how it will work out. The downside for Detroit is if McD declines, that is almost 7M against the cap for 3 more years. He is useful today and might be for the rest of the contract, but he almost certainly will not be worth his cap hit in the last couple years. This trade essentially stamps the end end of rebuilding and shifts the focus to making moves to contend. Thus makes sense as there are plenty of promising prospects due to arrive in the next 2 years, and some of them will be casualties to acquire established pkayers.</div></div>
Lol, Tampa hangs up the phone just after Yzerman finishes speaking. Well, depending on how fast JBB took to stop laughing. Thompson is going nowhere, and Tampa certainly isn't adding all that to McD just to get...Oesterle....I needed a good laugh today
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 1:45 p.m.
Thread:
Competitive Now and in Future
Tampa declines, very quickly. Awful trade for them.
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Armchair-GM
Fri. at 11:02 p.m.
Thread:
after Paul
Either McD or Killorn are gone if they want to keep a better F in Palat and 2nd best RD Rutta(which have been stressed as a priority). ABB is 100% wasted on a 4th line, if he makes the team its 2nd line or nothing more than likely. They should probably trade both for value now, but perhaps it's just McD. Of course 3LD is weak in that scenario(unless Rutta shifts there, a possibility), but that's not a huge deal. Killorn is nothing special in the playoffs unless he's getting pp1 time. It's simple asset management to keep the 1st line winger Palat, get good value for McD and Killorn, be able to find solid fill ins for them at least this year, and still have the space to keep most, if not all of the rfas next year. It will be only tougher to move McD after next year, although a buy out or if necessary, waivers, could be an option. Tampa will not sacrifice any of Serg, Cirelli, or Cernak to keep McD around past this year, tops. Since JBB probably wants to extend them this Summer if at all possible, I would expect McD to be moved sooner rather than later.
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Armchair-GM
Fri. at 10:44 p.m.
Thread:
Band back together again for another run
Killorn will get a better return than that if moved. Palat may give the team a hometown discount with extra term, but likely not one that steep. The oy real way to keep both him and Rutta is to move McD now. They can move McD, keep both Pally and Rutta, plus use the small amount left over for an elc/min contract F or D. They would keep Killorn for one more year, then he's also gone. They could trade Killorn and McD now, lock up Palat and Rutta, plus have enough to fill in the holes at 3LD and LW via the trades/ufa. They would likely target 1 year rentals or cost efficient players, as this would give them the most cap flexibility next offseason and thus a good chance of keeping all the rfas then.
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Armchair-GM
Fri. at 10:30 p.m.
Thread:
TBL offseason moves v2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>Nobody is trying to take him for nothing. The issue here is you're asking too much. Sheesh, imagine thinking Barbashev has only had one good year...</div></div>
Not asking too much, a middle 6 depth/role player winger and 3rd pairing dman is hardly too much. Barbashev has been solid, but nothing amazing. In terms of offense, he's had one season where he's topped a 30 point pace, this last one. He's a decent fit for Tampa at LW perhaps, but he's far from the only option Tampa can look at.
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Armchair-GM
Fri. at 10:03 p.m.
Thread:
TBL offseason moves v2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>A little light? Ha. Good one.</div></div>
Yep, Barbashev has had 1 good year, and Mikkola is a 3rd pairing, 5/6 type. Tampa isn't being forced to move McD, so yeah, Tampa won't be taking less. Blues don't want him that's fine, but Tampa won't be giving him away or sweetening a deal to move him. Comical for ppl to think otherwise.
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Armchair-GM
Fri. at 7:00 p.m.
Thread:
TBL offseason moves v2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>xercuses</b></div><div>I do too if 50% is retained as we can’t afford him otherwise and long term it’ll be rough</div></div>
You can move a worse dman in Scandella elsewhere to create space. Doubtful it's rough for any but the last year of McD's contract. Tampa isn't potentially shopping him because he has declined, but because he still has good value and unfortunately, Tampa needs to allocate it to the F group atm. No team is retaining 3.4 million for 4 years.
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Armchair-GM
Fri. at 6:41 p.m.
Thread:
TBL offseason moves v2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>xercuses</b></div><div>Blues don’t consider it then</div></div>
Your opinion, others elsewhere have thought the deal was solid.
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Armchair-GM
Fri. at 6:34 p.m.
Thread:
Trading with the Enemy
Tampa declines. Killorn is not a cap dump.
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Armchair-GM
Fri. at 6:23 p.m.
Thread:
TBL offseason moves v2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>xercuses</b></div><div>That’s a little much MCD, you have to retain 50% first and still that’s a lot to give up</div></div>
Yeah, Tampa isn't retaining anything, and if they seriously considered any retention, it would cost more than a 1 year rental Barbashev and Mikkola.
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Armchair-GM
Fri. at 6:16 p.m.
Thread:
TBL offseason moves v2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>The Blues are almost certainly not taking McD's contract as is, and frankly you're asking a bit much anyway.</div></div>
Nah, probably asking a little light, but oh well. Ppl seem to think Tampa is giving McD away, but that's not going to happen. Maybe St. Louis doesn't work as a fit, but the value is about right. Tampa doesn't have to move him, so if Brisebois can't work a solid return, so be it. Tampa will just move Killorn instead.
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Armchair-GM
Fri. at 6:12 p.m.
Thread:
Wings going for a playoff run
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tonyhzs</b></div><div>I see Paul just signed to a very fair 3 million for 7 years. Not sure how this plays out. Killorn is the easy trade, but I'm not sure if moving out Killorn is enough. It just got much harder to keep Palat or move McDonaugh.</div></div>
No, it really didn't. Palat has made it very clear he wants to stay in Tampa and Tampa has made it clear they want to keep him. Signing Paul has done nothing to change anything. Either McD will be traded for a cheaper roster player+pick/prospect, or if Killorn stays, McD would then get moved for just picks/prospects.
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Armchair-GM
Fri. at 1:46 p.m.
Thread:
Wings going for a playoff run
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tonyhzs</b></div><div>Except for the verified reports that Tampa has asked McD about him moving and waiving his trade protection. TB will lose one of Palat or Paul, or both.
You are correct, McD is easily a top 3 on most teams at this moment. Problem is, his style of play tends to lend itself to a lack of late career durability and sharp declines as he ages. Lidstrom aged like a fine wine, but he is the exception to the rule. Almost 7 million against the cap for 3 (?) More years, at this age, is not favorable. McD has already started the decline, as 2 years ago, I would have slotted him 1 or 2 on about 25 teams in the league. That is not at all saying he is bad, just that the cap hit can become an albatross REALLY quick. I'd liken McD to Ktonwall, who went from debatable 1D on most teams to ok bottom 2 within 2 seasons.</div></div>
Tampa already signed Paul, and if nothing can be worked out reasonably with McD, Killorn will very likely get moved in order to keep Palat and maybe Rutta.
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Armchair-GM
Fri. at 12:19 a.m.
Thread:
Wings going for a playoff run
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tonyhzs</b></div><div>Strong disagree. TB is sort of desperate to unload. They don't want to, but they have to. There is at least 3 teams NEEDING to unload salary (even when still good) . McD will cost assests. So much uncertainty in the 30s.</div></div>
No, he won't. Tampa also doesn't have to move him right now, so if the fit doesn't work for JBB and Tampa, he'll stay for.another year. He has shown no signs of serious decline, still is a #2 or #3 on many teams, and could even be argued as a #1 on some. Tampa isn't being put in a position where if they don't move him now, they have no avenue to being cap compliant. JBB is a good GM and won't be attaching assets to move someone with positive value like McD. You don't know Yampa's cap situation very well if you think otherwise.
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 10:28 p.m.
Thread:
With some retention
Tampa would think about it, but they'd want Barbashev, Mikkola, 1st swap and a 3rd this year I'd guess. Even then, retaining 1.75 for 4 years is a tough sell for Tampa, not because of the cap this off season, but mainly next Summer. If Tampa could crunch the numbers and make it work, I guess there would be a slim chance, but in the end, they'd likely look to take a little less and move his whole cap hit.
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 10:19 p.m.
Thread:
Wings going for a playoff run
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tonyhzs</b></div><div>That is a fair assessment except it is now leaked that Tampa wants to move McD. He's what, 34? Yes he is still top 4, but he just nerfed his thumb. When does the rapid decline begin? Whoever gets McD probably gets a top 4 this year. After...who knows? The style he plays is not conducive to being top 4 in their 30s.</div></div>
McD just turned 33. The last year of his deal will be at 36. While there is some risk involved that last year(maybe part of the 2nd to last year), he hasn't shown any indication of sharp decline. Tampa has only asked McD for a list of possible destinations, not that a trade is a lock. Tampa isn't forced to move him right now, and thus won't get fleeced because of it. I'm sure he won't return quite as much as he could because of the more limited trade destinations(if any), but Tampa won't be adding quality assets to move him.
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