- png, jpeg
- Recommended minimum size 800px by 800px
- Maximum size: 1MB
Jan 18, 2017
Feb 7, 1987
Posts per Day
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Eli</b></div><div>Thanks. Since you're giving me credit for knowing everything, I won't have to point out that Orlov rivals Muzzin for consistent even strength production at LD. I won't have to tell you Orlov led LHD in playoff minutes and even strength points in 2018.
You also probably followed that by letting Rielly and Campbell walk, and dumping Ritchie at slight negative value, Toronto gets around $9M to play a forward UFA market that includes Kessel, Rakell, Perron, Dustin Brown, Palat, Rust, Pavelski, and more. Some of those guys are old, and might be cheap. A few of them are still pretty good.
I've already got another Caps fan commenting that Nylander isn't worth Orlov in terms of what he'd bring to Washington, and I kind of agree. I could offer to add Sheary, and Toronto fans could continue saying that nobody will ever be worth trading Nylander, but it doesn't matter much if Orlov isn't available.</div></div>
Hahaha, I didn't say "nobody will ever be worth trading Nylander". I said "1 year of Orlov doesn't = Nylander". You were the one skimping on all of the details.
As for Muzzin, great example of the value of a defensive defenceman! 1.25 years of Muzzin=late 1st+fringe prospect (Durzi)+B prospect (Grundstrom). Interesting, because, for 1 year less than the remaining time on Nylander's contract, the Caps gave up a 1st, 2nd, young roster player who had already eclipsed 50 pts (Vrana), and a mini dump in Panik. I find it comical, mainly because Nylander has been far more productive than Mantha at this point.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Eli</b></div><div>Nah. I think all the Tor fans looking for Marner trades are looking for cap space to keep Rielly. If Sandin will be ready for a top four spot in two years, then one year of Orlov gets Tor over the hump. Then it's a question of how much Nylander's numbers are driven by always playing with Tavares or Matthews. Since he had a year on third line and scored less than Eller there, I think that Orlov's low cap hit allows Tor to shop in a buyer's market for top six wings rather than give Rielly 10M a year or whatever he wants.</div></div>
Oh. You really were serious.
Listen, I know you're a smart guy, which is why I'm sure that, despite not noting it, you knew that Nylander's "down year", the year that he was on the 3rd line, was also the season where he sat out training camp, and didn't return to the ice until December. A season where he started with just 3 points in his first 19 games. I'd assume it's not easy jumping into an NHL lineup mid season. He appeared to hit his stride though, given that he had 24 points over the last 35 games (0.68 ppg), good enough to get him back within 0.06 ppg of his career average.
I'm also sure that, despite not noting it, you also knew that Eller played 27 more games than Nylander that season. Eller point per game: 0.44 vs. Nylander point per game: 0.5.
I'm also fairly certain that, despite not noting it, you also knew that Nylander finished that year with 10 points in his last 13 games.
Honestly, it's really ok that, even when you cherry picked a season that he sat out for the first half, you forgot to mention all of the things that would go against your narrative.
As for shopping for top six wings? They've got one...his name is William Nylander. The thought that, moving him to replace Rielly with 1 year of Orlov, to free up about $1.8 mil in cap space, to then go overspend on a free agent winger that's older and most likely less productive than Nylander is absolutely insane. The reason people are making Marner ACGM's is because there's a weird group of Leafs fans that have an irrational dislike for him because they consider him overpaid in spite of the fact that he finished 4th in league scoring last year, is reliable at both ends of the ice, and is not what they'd consider "Gritty", which is why that same group was happy to get Nick Ritchie, who isn't good at all.
Conclusion: Nylander for Orlov is very, very bad for Toronto, and very, very good for Washington.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Capitalfail67</b></div><div>it baffles me that some "fans" HATED Marner but absolutely love Matthews. imo Marner and MAtthews are equal talents but they are treated WAY different but not my pig not my farm</div></div>
I think some people just hate nice things. To be completely fair, it happens in every fan base, the difference is just that groups like the Leafs and Habs dwarf the fan bases of most other teams on here, so the Brian Burke/Don Cherry/TSN panel lovers are just far more vocal than everyone else.
With Marner, I think Marner gets a lot of flack because of the way the contract negotiations went (Same with Nylander, who, IMO is absolutely excellent, and also worth every penny). The immediate comparison is always with the Bruins-"Why do they have Pasta, Bergeron and Marchand for $19 mil, when we have Matthews, Marner and Nylander for $28ish?". Or, with a team in an income tax-less state. The salary cap really ruined a lot of fans, and turned us from hockey fans into cap analysts. Nobody should have to care about what a player makes-It's funny, but I always think back to 1997, when Joe Sakic made $17 (17!!!!) million dollars. Nobody said he wasn't worth it when he scored at below a point per game pace that year for the first time since his rookie year, because he was absolutely worth it.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres89</b></div><div>I think he has to have surgery and showcase his talents in the olympics. That hopefully puts the injured thing to bed for good. Of course then he likely chooses to not report for the remainder of the season and gets suspended without pay- if he isnt traded right after the olympics. The sabres are still driving the bus when the nmc kicks in, if he could have had his contract voided on medical grounds, he would have. So he would still be under contract for 4 additional years, and assuming he is healthy, he wouldnt be getting paid if he chooses to not report come next september. He has said he would not refuse a trade anywhere, of course that could change when he actually has leverage in his favor. I genuinely hope he gets surgery, comes back for the olympics, plays well, and a suitable trade can be worked out, right after the olympics end. Its ugly now, i dont wanna see how much uglier it can get.</div></div>
Do you think he really ends up on team USA though?