Jul 3, 2018
Jan 31, 1990
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mondo</b></div><div>ah yes paying over 10 million for guaranteed elite players is a gamble. sorry all our players were actually worth the money when they went to negotiate, sometimes that just happens and you don't have the space to sign mikko kosknien, kris russell and milan lucic.
chai made more bad moves than good. edmonton would've been a much better place.
man, a whole two winning seasons with mcdavid on your team and suddenly oilers fans get really snippy.</div></div>
Lol at "guaranteed elite". The qualification of elite changes every year, which is exactly why deals like the Klefbom (not elite, but principle applies) and Draisaitl one were considered as gambles.
Same reason you paid Glassman Matthews, Mickey Mouse Marner, and Willie Nillie more than what they were worth.
You're telling me the logic behind them was off?
You called Draisaitl a "less than ppg player" when he got paid and deemed it a "bonehead" move.
Yet signing oft-injured, playoff-invisible, also less than ppg guy Matthews as a genius move because he's supposedly "guaranteed elite"?
There was only ever 1 guy who was "guaranteed elite" and that was pajama boy as he is a proven commodity.
One might argue Marner as a close second, but really shouldn't have been much more than Draisaitl money.
Funny thing is, you guys got caught up in the "Matthews is better than McDavid" nonsense that you failed to see him for what he actually is: a prolific goal scorer, but is lacking as a playmaker and is not a game breaker every shift he's on. Matthews makes the highlight reel goal, maybe 35 of his 50 in a year will be highlight worthy. But for the rest of the games he doesn't really get you much else. Good two way game, but that's about it.
Then you paid him like he poops gold.
Then you put the dude who was actually piling up the points for you (Marner) on the backburner and tried to sign him for less.. which he understandably said "go pound sand".
If they signed Marner first, gave him 9M noone would be joking about it.
But you waited until two less proven players (one of which is supposedly much more elite, almost Godlike in your eyes really) got OVERpaid!
Then circle back to the one putting up the tangible numbers and said "Hey we kinda overpaid on Willie and Glassy, would you take a huge discount the other two didn't?"
The bonehead overpays didnt start with PC. It started when your "whiz kid" GM got his priorities wrong, so you had no choice but to overpay them all lol.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>So Dubas shouldn't have signed Matthews to a bonus-laden contract because it turned out bad with Lucic? That's a silly argument. Each player contract should be judged on it's own merits.</div></div>
When you talk about that tier of player ($3-5M range) the chances of them failing are bigger than what a top tier player would be. If McDavid was paid $12,499,999 signing bonus every July 1 and only gets paid $1 over the year it wouldnt be an issue because he's the top player in the league. IF he were to be injured and does NOT come back to form, best player or not that contract becomes a liability plain and simple.
You're stretching here, Chiarelli. If Matthews ends up being a 70pt player his entire career because of injuries (he's already shown he's a bit prone), then that would be one of the worst contracts in the league.
Right now looks good, the team has no safety net if things go south a la Lucic.
Lucic's 1st year was pretty great. Nobody complained about his $6M cap hit. Nobody talked about him taking a piss in years 2 and 3. Everybody though talked about years 5 - 7 and how that contract looks and everyone pretty much said Chiarelli messed up (more on term, than on AAV) since that contract is extremely tough to buy out.
All about balancing safety net between player and team. Zucarello is a prime example of a huge mistake in the next few years. Watch.
Say we did get Connelly, to compete with FLA offer, we wouldve had to pony up $4M AAV for 3 years and say a nice signing bonus as you suggested. Buyout proof contract all over again.
If he doesnt perform to that contract, the Oilers are now screwed out of 4M + 750 Lucic reten + 1.33M Pouliot buyout + 300k Gryba buyout + 2.5M Sekera buyout... missing out on a pretty good UFA market next year.
So you see handing out buyout proof contracts, big or small, just so you dont overpay as much to get players in Edmonton is exactly the move Holland SHOULDN'T make.