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MitchJr

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Forum: Armchair-GM16 hours ago
Thread: What Shane Pinto could get paid next year if he buys in
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xspyrit</b></div><div>I have never used ""stud" to define Pinto so it can't be used if you're discussing with me (I am not responsible for what other Sens fans could say, I mean lol does it need to be explained?). Pinto's value is not about what he did in his rookie year but in his PROJECTABILITY, everyone (or almost?) in the NHL know he will become a quality 2-way center. I haven't changed my narrative about him, I have been comparing him with players like Backes, Danault and even Cirelli, more like a mix of all those.

He most likely will end up the better player of all these guys but we're talking about NOW, and he hasn't done anything to deserve to be paid much more than them THIS season...

Regarding Frost, I was talking about the 2 years deal he just signed... I mentioned the 46 pts to make sure there wouldn't be any confusion but that didn't work lol</div></div>

Bud - you’re bending yourself into a pretzel. Comparing Pinto to Cirelli but then you say you haven’t called him a stud 😂. And Frost just signed for $2.1M proving my point - he got paid because he put up numbers.
Sanderson has one season under his belt - only put up 37 points and was dash 6 - but Dorion found money for him because he thinks he’s a core piece moving forward. His play in 2022 was certainly not worthy of $8M but most agree he’ll be worth it soon. How / why is it different for Pinto? And he’s only asking for $2.5M
Forum: Armchair-GM20 hours ago
Thread: What Shane Pinto could get paid next year if he buys in
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xspyrit</b></div><div>Hockey fans often don't go beyond basic stats from hockeydb.com but NHL teams do. They spent a lot on money on scouting and advanced stats departments.

Havery-Pinard scored 14 goals in just 34 games on a team lacking talent... Pinto scored 20 in 82 playing on the PP and with DeBrincat/Batherson? incredible. Yet, RHP signed TWO years at 1.1

Dellandrea actually scored more ES/PK points than Pinto from the bottom-6, signed at 0.9 AAV. Pinto should get TRIPLE that amount because he had PP opportunity and played with a bunch of first liners at ES?

Look at Morgan Forst, older a 46 pts... I could go on but I think what you're not understanding here is that Sens fans are not BLAMING Pinto... at least from what I read... or maybe on Twitter? But it's a cesspool of stupidity so who cares?

Don't worry, Dorion gets enough critic from Sens fans, even anger like you say. I personally have been saying for 3 years that he is the worst GM in the NHL. I'm one of his biggest critics. Not only he makes puzzling moves (like trading Gustavsson for Talbot) but he also often put himself in really bad situations like this one.

All I could here is tell other fans what the Ottawa Senators SHOULD or SHOULD not do. All of this is hypothetical and I have zero control over Dorion.

All we can hope is that he makes the "right moves". Signing Pinto to the cheapest 1 year bridge possible would go a long way and would go in his "good" column...</div></div>

The narrative has suddenly shifted from Pinto is a stud to he’s similar to Delleandra (4C or 13 F) or Harvey-Pinard (a 3rd liner with 38 games experience on one of the worst teams in the league) 🤔. Frost signed his 1 year deal coming off a 5 goal season 😕.
Pretty sure - before Dorion boxed himself in - we can go back and check what you (or at least majority of fellow SENs fans) wrote about Pinto and it would have been a different story 🤷🏻.
Forum: Armchair-GM21 hours ago
Thread: What Shane Pinto could get paid next year if he buys in
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xspyrit</b></div><div>I think you're confusing COULD and SHOULD. Or maybe people are not using the right word. Many young players in Pinto's position did it before so he could... Look at Labanc a few years ago, 1 x 1 despite scoring 56 pts. And even this year, look at Dellandrea, Harvey-Pinard, Forst, Wahlstrom, Hoglander, etc deals...All these guys are older and/or more proven or have produced just as much or more</div></div>

You’re stretching bud; none of those guys potted 20 goals and most of them weren’t even nhl regulars 👍😎😂. Listen - easy to see the best solution is for Pinto to sign haircut agreement. But my only point is it’s strange to blame Pinto for this situation, he’s done &amp; is doing nothing wrong imo. Your GM is 100% to blame - that’s where I would direct my anger were I a SENs fan (which I am not 😎 # goLeafsgo)
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 9:57 p.m.
Thread: What Shane Pinto could get paid next year if he buys in
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AnonymousSensFan</b></div><div>Depends on the injury. What if it's career ending?

The problem with these "Pinto one year team favor deal" is that Pinto takes all the risk. They want Pinto to be a team player, but if something happens, then they want the team to not honor their end of the pact.

Why would he do that? It's not his fault the cap is where it's at. He's not asking to be paid 8x8 like everyone else. He's not even asking for Batherson money. His ask is within the realm of being reasonable.

If I were a player with one serious injury already, I'm not taking a team friendly deal for one year without an owner guarantee that no matter what happens, come Jan 1st, I'm getting paid.</div></div>

I am far from a SENs fan (#goLeafsgo) but I find it strange, bordering on bizzare, that some SENs fans think Pinto should sign a completely garbage contract just because Dorion is incompetent. The GM created this mess but a young player (apparently a core piece moving forward) coming off a great year has to sign a one year deal just above league minimum 🤯. Crazy.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 6:59 p.m.
Thread: Gladly sit Pinto out
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>Do u think it’s better for ottawa to move a roster player with sweetener just to lose another potentially to injury?

Remember last year when the Sens moved Connor Brown because they didn’t want Formenton on line 4 and then they ended up losing Formenton . And then they lost Norris? Just with that went from great depth to horrible depth .

If Pinto stays out he can be signed if someone gets injured or he can take the minimum</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xspyrit</b></div><div>People don't see that (lack of experience following the NHL maybe?) but there's actually no rush to sign Pinto. He's not VITAL to the team (I'd try Jarventie in the meantime!) and Brady, the captain, missed the whole training cap and the first 3 games (they won 2 of them) 2 seasons ago...

Might have to trade Kubalik or Brannstrom but gotta wait to see what happens with injuries, and not just on the Sens, injuries around the league will impact the market.</div></div>

Honestly not trying to pick a fight; we’ll save that for regular season - #goLeafsgo - but in this particular situation… from a distance I don’t see anyone at fault here other than Dorion. Pinto is a key young player (not as good as Stutzle or Sanderson) but an important young player that can play a valuable position (3C). Dorion found money for everyone else including questionable FAs &amp; trades (why accept Kubalik back in that trade?) but now that he needs to sign Pinto - he wants the kid to take a haircut 🤯? If I were Pinto &amp; his team, I’d see this for exactly what it is - I’m being asked to sacrifice (&amp; live with risk of injury) because my GM prioritied EVERYONE ELSE over me.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 5:39 p.m.
Thread: I think we need to stop lowballing Shane Pinto
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ennis</b></div><div>Incoming one of CF's most annoying posters....

Guys take cheap deals to help their team all the time. Like I just posted above, Dellandrea scored just shy of 30 points in Dallas's bottom 6 while being good defensively and killing penalties for them. He took 900k. Could he have gotten more anywhere else? 100%.

Frost just scored 46 points and is making LESS than Cates.

But you calling other people lost is pretty on brand.</div></div>

Pretty tough to blame this on Pinto; this was 100% mismanagement by Dorion. Why should any player accept less than he feels he is worth? What if Pinto gets injured, what if he is not put in the same position to produce this year. Dorion found (&amp; prioritized) money for other players but now wants Pinto to take a haircut and a “trust me we’ll pay you later deal”. Again, just seems unfair to blame Pinto for your GM’s mistakes