Mr_Gardoki

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Forum: Armchair-GMJul 20 at 12:54
Thread: Jarrys Penguins
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TCMonkey</b></div><div>The last thing OTT is concerned about is JJ's cap hit. If they're taking on a LHD that they DO NOT NEED they'd prefer to get something real in return. I mean be honest, PIT could get a 4th round pick for BJÖRKQVIST right now, so why is OTT giving one up AND taking on JJ's contract. Horrible deal for the SENS.</div></div>

It's far from a horrible deal. Let's look at the facts...

1) Ottawa isn't going to be a playoff team for probably another two to three seasons. (JJ's contract is three more years)
2) Ottawa WILL be taking on some cap dumps to keep stockpiling futures.
3) Ottawa has to fill out the rest of their defense and there aren't going to waste their time with any big names yet.
4) PENS ARE RETAINING 50%, so $1.625 is an easy hit for them to take on and they can always bury him in the minors for more savings if they deem so.
5) Bjorkvist is going to a good young cheap bottom six player which is always a good thing to have.

I mean, could the Pens add a little more? Sure, maybe throw in a 3rd on top of it and that's fine, but this is FAR from a horrible deal. Plus, it leaves them more space to take on more bad contracts for better futures.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 20 at 12:25
Thread: Jarrys Penguins
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TMarch</b></div><div>No way DET pays the 32OA pick for a goalie PIT is going to have to give away. The league know PIT is in trouble, and is going to have to pay Jarry (especially since he may start the playoffs this year), so no one is going to bail them out with value (32OA isn't close to value on a guy that can't stay on the ice).</div></div>

That's all irrelevant. What's relevant is what the market has to offer. Most of the decent goalies who will likely hit the market are much older and the ones that are in their late 20's will be grabbed up immediately.

Again, I'm open to suggestions to make the trade more realistic. Two second roudners too much? Ok, I think at least one 2nd is fair with something else. Maybe a decent prospect?
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 15 at 3:11
Thread: Flat Cap Penguins Part 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Yojimbo</b></div><div>Johnson ($1.625M ret), Björkqvist for 4th, 5th

Stop people, seriously, you are literally just embarrassing yourselves. Burying Johnson in the minors would cost the Pens $2.175M next year, $2.125M after that. So to save $500K/yr

$500K...

You are trading away Bjorkqvist.

And remember... Johnson is guy that the coaches actually like... trading away Bjorkqvist to save $500K

Accept it. Move on. You'll be happier for it.</div></div>

I think you have a serious reading comprehension problem or you just rushed through this and didn't really read thoroughly. I'm hoping it's the latter.

Neither I nor anyone else suggested the Penguins bury Johnson in the minors, so it's clear you just felt like flaming someone instead of having a an actual discussion.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 15 at 1:40
Thread: Flat Cap Penguins Part 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Seider53</b></div><div>And here is the reality for Pittsburgh. There are other Defencemen that would round out Ottawa's defence that they could take on as a cap dump after walking away from this trade, and they would get a better return for taking on said contract. No team takes that deal, and if you don't make that deal, the pens are over the cap... The team taking on the cap has the leverage.</div></div>

Again, I'm not saying there aren't better deals for OTT to make, but no team is going to give a 1st round for taking a $1.625M contract. Also, getting that return and that low of a cap hit allows them room take on more crap contracts for bigger returns. I can get on board thinking that the deal could be tweaked, but you're way off base thinking it's laughable. Smaller dumps they take on = lower returns. As much leverage as any team has there are still realities to what they can get in return.

Now, if the Pens were sending him over without any retention? I could see them pressing for a 1st or 2nd. Taking on contract that's barely over 1.5M? I think you underestimate being able to fill out your roster with good bottom six players, especially young cheap ones. Bjorkvist is projected to be a damn solid role player.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul 15 at 1:31
Thread: Flat Cap Penguins Part 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Seider53</b></div><div>That Ottawa trade is LAUGHABLY bad. Giving up picks for a possible bottom 6er and a cap dump. And the justification is that other teams will try and dump worse contracts. YES that is the point of taking on cap dumps. But you're meant to recieve assets in exchange for taking on the dead weight. Maybe add your 2021 1st rounder.</div></div>

Here's a few realities....

-Teams like OTT, LA and DET are going to take on some bad contracts for futures. Now, could they take on worse contracts than $1.625 for three years and get better futures? Absolutely and they very well might, but a modest cap hit for a player they can easily bury and get a decent young cheap bottom six? Doesn't seem THAT laughable.

-You have to give SOMETHING back in a trade, so mid/late round picks for OTT is nothing when they are so loaded in the first three rounds. Make it a 5th only, I don't care.

-OTT has to fill out their defense and they're obviously not going hunting for any big names yet. By the time they are Johnson's contract will be but a dream.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb 19 at 3:04
Thread: Kreider to PIT
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Blynasty</b></div><div>You could get more for Kreider, especially if you are willing to take on a bad contract which I assume you knew you were doing here with Bjgustad.</div></div>

I know Bjugstad is an average middle six guy who's been injury prone, but that's far from a bad contract. He's got one more year at $4.1M and he'd be fine plug for the Rangers for one year. Look, I'm not saying "Oh my god, you guys should be ecstatic to get BJugstad," but he can be useful player if he stays healthy.

I do agree you can get more though. The Rangers would need a 1st just to pick up the phone when you consider what other teams have received for players far below Kreider's level. That said, pieces of this deal are good. Hallander was touted to be a very good prospect and not far from being in the NHL until his injury which obviously took him off the map, but he's healthy now and it doesn't seem like his injury has affected him at all.

I think a 1st + Hallander + Simon would make more sense for the Rangers, but they'd have to retain a little bit to make things work. Even though he's not a big producer, I love Simon and he's a great value player who can play in the top six.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan 6 at 6:49
Thread: Jakeless Pens
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>I think you are undervaluing Toffoli, i was taking crap for offering a 2nd (cond 1st) + A level prospect (Kylington) + 2021 3rd for Toffoli and Campbell.</div></div>

You look at last year. Zuccarello went for a 2nd and conditional 3rd last year. Zuccarello is arguably a better player.

Kreider IMO goes for a 2nd + decent prospect, MAYBE a 1st if he gets traded within the division. Kreider is definitely better than Toffoli.

Taylor Hall went for a 1st and Taylor Hall is definitely better than Kreider.

Nyquist got moved last year for a 2nd and 3rd. Nyquist &gt;&gt;&gt; Toffoli

Is there a team that would offer a 2nd? Maybe, but I don't see more than 3rd plus a mid-level prospect.

You can never underestimate a team willing to overpay, but I think if you follow this line of logic, Toffoli is a 3rd round pick guy.