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Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 27 at 7:23 p.m.
Thread: Petey
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 27 at 6:21 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>Which part is incorrect? Are you denying the fact that all 32 teams had the opportunity to sign Ryan Graves this offseason for 4.5 million (or more if they valued him as such), if they wished without giving up any assets.

Are you denying graves struggles this year?

Are you denying graves 12 team NTC that would prevent a number of potential suitors from acquiring him at all?</div></div>

Your general thought-process is wrong. I'm not sure why you're asking weird questions. I completely stated earlier that Graves has not been a good fit. Every situation with a player is different on why they may be on the outs with their respective teams, but you're treating this like some kind of math equation and that's now how this goes down.

Yes, the clause affects things, but it only limits the teams they can negotiate with and the leverage they have in the type of return they can get, which is why I stated in a situation like with Graves, the likely scenario is this...

1) They get a low return on a team who will take him, i.e. maybe they get a 4th.
2) They may have to take a contract back with a player in a similar situation, i.e. let's say VAN is interested. You could see a trade, maybe even straight up for Mikheyev.

Now, as i stated a few times already, if Graves just completely year 2 of his contract and he's been bad in both his years of this contract? Then yes, the Pens would likely either have to tack on a pick/prospect to move him or possibly retain.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 27 at 6:11 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 27 at 6:04 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>My general thought process is this:

If a player leaves a team to sign a new team as a UFA (especially if it’s not a top tier contender), that means him at that contract is generally his net 0 value (with some exceptions).

Ryan graves based on his previous play, went, tested the market, and the market told him he was worth 4.5 million dollars a year with no other draft capital involved.

Since then, his play has dropped to a level below what it previously was. So his value drops below said 4.5 million AAV.

Unless you’re suggesting graves took a discount to play in Pittsburgh, which I disagree with.

In order for a team to want to pay for Graves (especially with all the available UFAs about to come) they would likely have had to:

Viewed graves as a player worth more than 4.5 million, and in that case they probably made him an offer above that which he declined to play in Pittsburgh.

Not be on graves M-NTC, I’d imagine a number of the teams above (if they exist) would be on said NTC if he took less money to not play for them

Not have had their perception dropped by Graves recent lowered level of play.

Generally signing UFAs from other teams is like a car, it loses 20% of its value the second you drive it off the lot</div></div>

That's not how things work. Graves left NJ because NJ has/have a bevy of young dmen ready to make the jump and wanted to keep Meier. NJ had different priorities which had nothing to do with Graves' value.

As far as your other thoughts, I honestly don't even know what you're getting at. My point is a good proven player having a bad year doesn't make him a cap-dump or in position for his team to have to retain or pay another team to take him. I also stated that if he was two years in and nothing changed? Then yeah, they'd probably have to pay or retain.

In this scenario, GM's will recognize a good player with a bad year/bad fit and capitalize by acquiring him at a discounted price. If Graves was moved, the Pens probably get a 3rd, maybe a little less or they may have to take another contract back with a player in a similar situation. That's like saying NJ would have to retain on Meier if they wanted to move him and we both know that's not the case and relative to Graves' season, Meier is having a far worse one.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 27 at 5:51 p.m.