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Thread: Hawks 25-26
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 12, 2023 at 12:00 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>turtlemountain</b></div><div>You missed the point.

As Fail4Nail said at the very beginning of this whole thing: Makar and Manson &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Bouch and Ceci

I responded a few times to your argument that the RD depth for the Avs is worse, but I can summarize for you.

Makar &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Bouchard
Manson =/= Ceci

Then you keep coming back to depth defenseman and referencing Vincent Desharnais and a bunch of AHL guys. Calling your 8th and 9th defensemen an upgrade over guys like Sam Malinski et al is a weak argument, especially considering the magnitude of the gap at the top of the depth.

We could keep going on this, but I’m worried that responding another time might awaken you like a sexism sleeper cell again.</div></div>

Quit with the sexism lol. Was making a joke. You're still cherry pickin.

Agreed. Makar better, but not more better compared to Bouchard than Draisaitl is compared to McLeod IMO

Disagree. Ceci better, Mansons hurt to much

= so far

and the most important part and what depth means is Desharnais and possibly Kemp are better than any player the Avs have to put on the right side on the 3rd pair without making their other pairings worse

Also Wanner and Akey are better than Malinski and Clurman IMO. Because depth, and depth, and because the argument was about depth.

The * is you gotta give Toews some credit for Makars success and yes Bouchard got to play with Ekholm, but he played more with rookie Philip Broberg last season
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 12, 2023 at 10:11 a.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>turtlemountain</b></div><div>I wasn’t accusing you of anything, I just figured that the argument you were making was so absurd that you were just messing around.

We can all contort advanced stats any way we want to fit a narrative but it you manage to contort it in a way where you are comparing Cale Makar to Evan Bouchard, you aren’t acting in good faith lmao.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OilednGreasy</b></div><div>All I did was put a link to their on ice numbers last season at 5v5 per 60 minutes of ice. The best way to compare players eliminating special teams , and TOI or games played differences. No contortion. If I were including special teams then Bouchards on ice numbers are even better.
But my original point and why I compared ALL the RD was that the Oilers are deeper at the position, so an Elite centre is probably more important to the team then another RD even if it is Makar, whom they can't afford.
Depth is not expressed in comparing one player to another or 2 to 2. You said Makar/Manson are better than Bouchard/Ceci contorting the argument away from depth, because again the Oilers also have Desharnais, Kemp, Wanner, and Akey. Who do the Avs have after Makar and Manson?
Yes Makar is better than Bouchard. The numbers I referenced show that still, but that isn't the argument and wasn't mine.

Please, if you want to argue at least take into account the <strong>premise</strong>, and <strong>everything</strong> the other person has said</div></div>

But here you want mess around

<a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&amp;thruseason=20222023&amp;stype=2&amp;sit=all&amp;score=all&amp;stdoi=oi&amp;rate=y&amp;p1=8480803&amp;p2=8480069&amp;loc=B&amp;gpfilt=none&amp;fd=&amp;td=&amp;tgp=410&amp;lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Makar vs Bouchard All Strengths</a> notice Makar starts and gets more faceoffs in the offensive zone, so is sheltered more.
Get rid of per 60, they were close in TOI https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&amp;thruseason=20222023&amp;stype=2&amp;sit=all&amp;score=all&amp;stdoi=oi&amp;rate=n&amp;p1=8480803&amp;p2=8480069&amp;loc=B&amp;gpfilt=none&amp;fd=&amp;td=&amp;tgp=410&amp;lines=single
Total offence 5v5 <a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&amp;thruseason=20222023&amp;stype=2&amp;sit=5v5&amp;score=all&amp;stdoi=std&amp;rate=n&amp;p1=8480803&amp;p2=8480069&amp;loc=B&amp;gpfilt=none&amp;fd=&amp;td=&amp;tgp=410&amp;lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Makar vs Bouchard 5v5 offence</a> but Bouchard played more 5v5
So, per 60 <a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&amp;thruseason=20222023&amp;stype=2&amp;sit=5v5&amp;score=all&amp;stdoi=std&amp;rate=y&amp;p1=8480803&amp;p2=8480069&amp;loc=B&amp;gpfilt=none&amp;fd=&amp;td=&amp;tgp=410&amp;lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Makar vs Bouchard/60 5v5 offence</a>
PP Totals
<a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&amp;thruseason=20222023&amp;stype=2&amp;sit=pp&amp;score=all&amp;stdoi=oi&amp;rate=n&amp;p1=8480803&amp;p2=8480069&amp;loc=B&amp;gpfilt=none&amp;fd=&amp;td=&amp;tgp=410&amp;lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Makar vs Bouchard PP on ice</a> <a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&amp;thruseason=20222023&amp;stype=2&amp;sit=pp&amp;score=all&amp;stdoi=std&amp;rate=n&amp;p1=8480803&amp;p2=8480069&amp;loc=B&amp;gpfilt=none&amp;fd=&amp;td=&amp;tgp=410&amp;lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Makar vs Bouchard PP offence</a> notice Makar has more TOI in less games, sheltered again. But Makar did have more PK too
So, <a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20222023&amp;thruseason=20222023&amp;stype=2&amp;sit=pk&amp;score=all&amp;stdoi=oi&amp;rate=y&amp;p1=8480803&amp;p2=8480069&amp;loc=B&amp;gpfilt=none&amp;fd=&amp;td=&amp;tgp=410&amp;lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Makar vs Bouchard/60 PK on ice</a> wonder which team had better goaltending.
Who were they most paired with last season; Toews/Makar, and rookie Broberg/Bouchard

What does all this mean? I don't care. Because my argument was Drai can't be compared to Makar, but IMO the Oilers would be worse without Leon and with Makar than vice versa
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 12, 2023 at 8:40 a.m.