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Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 12:25 am
Thread: Desmith
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MacerV</b></div><div>Clearing waivers only really adds value if you are still younger and just need an extra year to put it together (bubble players who are 23-24). The Leafs gain nothing from having him in the AHL as their system is packed in the AHL and ECHL.

So pray tell, what clue do you have that I do not? Why is DeSmith worth anymore than your typical late pick + project that backups go for? Especially considering he's making an unburriable amount of cap for 3 years?</div></div>

Well Toronto wouldn’t bury him so you don’t have to worry about that. And because your teams backups are complete dumpster fires. DeSmith has proven to be a solid backup.
I don’t think the 4th is needed, I think Bracco for DeSmith straight up is fair enough.
Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 5:15 pm
Thread: Pitt
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>The_Ultimate_Pielord</b></div><div>The player they're giving up is "hypothetical 5 million dollar UFA defenceman" or "the defenceman they can get for bjugstad after replacing Bjugstad with a 5 million dollar UFA forward". Cap space is helpful, which is why not having the Risto contract is super important. ZAR might also be able to anchor a spot higher in the lineup, he's shown the odd flash of legit talent, and he was originally gonna end up at 1LW instead of Conor Sheary IIRC.</div></div>

Cap space is important but any free agent defenseman that’s worth a damn is going to cost a bit of cap and probably want a longer term contract.
All this stuff you guys are saying about Risto was also said about Schultz when the pens traded for him. And that trade was even riskier. Schultz is just a power play specialist, he’s atrocious at even strength, yada yada yada. And look how that trade turned out?
Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 1:38 am
Thread: Pitt
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>The_Ultimate_Pielord</b></div><div>So, that D corps you mentioned has combined for a GAR of 76.8 since the start of the 16-17 season (Toronto's corps, for reference, has a total GAR of 88.9). Not exactly a super established group of performers. Making things worse is that 49.4 of that is between just Letang and Dumoulin, with Letang contributing 32 on his own. Risto's actually 3rd in that group by GAR over that timeframe, despite an EV GAR of -0.1. The defense is very much not taken care of by that group, not even close. I also don't get the logic of trading a good player to get cap space when you could just not acquire a terrible contract. Nobody is forcing them to acquire Risto instead of an actually good 5v5 defenceman.</div></div>

What good player are the pens trading to get Risto? They are trading a guy that hasn’t fit, been bad, and that’s a pending UFA and a dime a dozen bottom 6 that’d be a 4th liner at best if everyone was healthy and much easier to replace than a top 4 RHD.

And as for it not being that great, who in house can we afford that would make it any better. Ruhwedel? A bunch of journeyman ahl players and rookies.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 11:55 pm
Thread: Pitt
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hockeyfanatic05</b></div><div>Because im pretty sure buffalo is only trading risto for a top 6 winger, which the pens would be stupid to do imo. Chucky doesn't have much value, and the other forwards are solid in their roles. Id rather just let Schultz walk, and finally have a little wiggle room for FA. Trading for Risto doesn't make that happen. And say they do trade for him, and Risto is bad. Now thats another overpaid dman the pens have</div></div>

Trading for someone and the risk of them being bad is always a risk when trading for a player. Galchenyuk hasn’t been great the last few years.
What wiggle room do you need? It’s not like there is going to be anyone really worth getting in free agency that the pens could afford that would be worth anything.

Crosby, Malkin, Guentzel, Rust, McCann, Tanev, Hornqvist, Kahun, Blueger, Simon, Lafferty, Johnson, and Blandisi are capable of being your 13 forwards. Trade Bjugstad for a pick for 4.1 million in cap space. ZAR trades in this scenario gets another million off. Trade DeSmith for a pick or ahl goalie and there’s another 125k off. And they are replaced by cheaper forwards. The defense is taken care of by Letang, Dumo, Risto, Petterson, JJ, Marino, Riikola, and your choice of Ruhwedel, Trotman, POJ, Addison, etc

Wouldn’t really need anyone in free agency.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 11:38 pm
Thread: Pitt
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hockeyfanatic05</b></div><div>And you made the point he's not overrated, kinda on you to prove he isn't. Youre all over the place man. They got Gud because JR wanted a tougher more physical team. That was his job, and if he did more then thats great. And you talked about amazing training camp. Thats exactly what I said. Why not hold off and see what they can do in training camp, and go from there. Yes they like to keep players in their correct position, but they also aren't afraid to change it up like that did putting Marino with Letang. Why trade for a guy when there are options internally that could work out just as well?</div></div>

Gudbranson was traded for cause they needed a 3rd right handed d and they wanted to get rid of Pearson as he just didn’t work out. It was another buy low/sell low deal that worked out brilliantly. Like you said, we had Jj to make the pens a tougher more physical team.
Because the pens are trying to stay a cup contender. A cup contender doesn’t go into a year unprepared hoping for young players to step up from the start. Sometimes it just happens and sometimes it’s cause it’s out of necessity. If none of them pan out next year, we just lost 2 trade chips. And what happens when Letang gets his typical longer term injury next year cause he’s another year older amongst the others that always get hurt. Now we have no depth.
And why can’t we make this buy low/ sell low trade then trade Schultz for more longer term pieces? This trade gives the pens the ability to not have to shelter a 3rd pairing cause you’re sticking an unproven rookie with JJ, gives them depth for the usual injuries, allows them to get long term assets to help for now and the future for two impending free agents that the pens have no cap room or intentions of re-signing.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 11:29 pm
Thread: Pitt
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>The_Ultimate_Pielord</b></div><div>Risto's overrated, I went into this.

Tbh Galch is pretty overrated too. The argument with hims was always that playing him at centre could bring back some of his early-career success, including his 14.7 GAR year in 15-16, but since that year he's now in his 4th straight sub-replacement seasons in 3 different organizations. Tocchet was a coach of the year candidate last year and Galch still put up a putrid -3.2 GAR with the Coyotes. Sucks to say, but Galch is pretty much done at this point, and his rep as an underrated and incorrectly used player is pretty much the only reason he's still in the league.

At 5v5 ZAR is pretty clearly the best player in this deal. Even after accounting for Risto's PP excellence and terrific penalty differential, ZAR might still have the edge, especially after an 18-19 season in which he drove play very well in limited usage. This entire thread and argument is over a trade where the best 5v5 player is Zach Aston-Reese.

There's something wrong with us.</div></div>

I agree with that last sentence 100% 😂.
But my whole point is basically, this is a buy low/sell low type of trade.
I mean look at the Pearson for Gudbranson trade last year. Everyone said Gudbranson was an absolute dumpster fire and keeping an overrated Pearson who was always invisible was better. Then Guddy comes here and plays extremely well. He was overpaid for sure, but still played well for the pens. And ended up making it a win for the pens. And Pearson has been solid for Vancouver.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 11:23 pm
Thread: Pitt
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hockeyfanatic05</b></div><div>Yet you've not given one reason how he's not overrated. The guy is an offensive dman with 9 points. Thats his job. Score points. He's currently getting outproduced by John Marino. John Marino moves up and replaces Schults. Dumo, Letang, Pettersson, Marino, JJ. Last spot can be battled in the offseason between JOP, Rikkola, and Addison. If neither of them work out, find a cheap 3rd pairing dman, like they just did this year. Zero reason to trade for a guy with a 5.4 cap hit when there are cheaper options that are getting better every year. Everything you said is wrong. Look at Petterson last year. Look at Marino this year.</div></div>

You’re the one that made the claim he is overrated. Kinda on you to prove he is. The guy isn’t an offensive defenseman. He is a two way defenseman. He has more defensive zone starts than offensive zone starts every year. They don’t typically put offensive defensemen (like Schultz who gets over 55% offensive zone starts every year) in defensive zone starts that often. Like I said JOP not Addison have a proven track record. The pens go with guys that are at least somewhat proven. If that wasn’t the case, they’d have never gotten Gudbranson. Marino wouldn’t be up here and wasn’t thought to be up here to take Guddys spot without an amazing training camp and preseason. And 2/3 of the options you said are left handed. The pens don’t like putting players on their off hand on defense cause they tend to be dumpster fires. Especially Jj.
Nothing I’ve said has been proven wrong. Everything you’ve said actually has been proven wrong. You keep claiming that a guy that gets the majority of his starts in the defensive zone is somehow an offensive defenseman.
Exactly...look at petterson. That trade was exactly what this trade is. A buy low/sell low trade. Trading a forward that didn’t fit in here for a defenseman that didn’t fit in there with similar cap hits. Look how brilliantly that turned out for the pens. Exactly why this makes sense. Thanks for proving my point 👍