Jul. 29, 2017
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WhyWait</b></div><div>I noticed that I said Moran above. I would have zero problem trading Ian Moran and a 1st to Vancouver for Miller.
I would see Miller and Trocheck as "or" options, not "and". They are both centers. People have been suggesting moving Malkin to wing for years,but centers tend to be centers. Also, your trade is not upgrading Zucker to Miller. It is giving FAR too much for a very good player. (I like Miller)
You can still sign Lyubushkin and still have Marino, 1st, etc, etc. Heck, trade Marino for an actual "winger" and then you still have the 1st, etc.
Trocheck, Lyubushkin, actual top-6 "winger", 1st, Kapanen, etc.
People (mostly Vancouver fans) have a singular focus of a Miller/Marino based deal for some reason. Pittsburgh fans have seen it so many times on here that recently they have started doing it too. Amazingly they are almost all the same overall packages, copy/paste much? Some Pensfansare also blinded by adesire to move Zucker. You've managed to bring back a worse contract than Zucker while also retaining on Zucker.
Miller, Poolman for Zucker (-$2.75), Hallander, Marino, 1st <- While Miller is the best single piece of this deal, this is NOT a good deal for the Penguins overall. They are lesser after the trade than before.</div></div>
The difference between Malkin and Miller is that Miller also plays wing, Malkin doesn’t. Trocheck also plays wing too.
You can’t sign Lyubushkin and have Marino too because you do have to abide by the cap lol. Poolman’s contract isn’t bad lol it’s 2.3 million for a 3rd pair dman that can play 2nd pair for short periods of time. You can never have too many nhl capable dmen.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WhyWait</b></div><div>Vancouver fans have been GROSSLY over-valuating their trade pieces for 6 months. The trade deadline AGMs for Boeser were insane, completely illogical. Now that they potentially understand that no one is touching Boeser they have moved on to over-valuating Miller instead. Miller is a very good player, but it is not like I am suggesting Ruhwedel or McGinn for him. Plus, I am consider more than just one year's "stats".
I could understand upping to Moran + 2nd instead of a 3rd. However, Marino and a 1st is too much, and Marino,1st, + is just ... no.
While Trocheck is not quite Miller, he is not that far off though, I would be perfectly happy signing him for 2C. The Pens would then still have Marino, 1st, Kapanen (or whatever was traded for Miller) to move to fill other spots, or just keep.</div></div>
So you’re good with signing Trocheck and moving in from Geno but you’re not ok with upgrading Zucker to Miller? That’s a weird take to me 🤷♂️ Lol.
Kapanen isn’t a guarantee, and Lyubushkin replaces Marino. Who is just as good, if not better defensively and more physical. So that would make Marino expendable. And Miller is a quality top line forward. It’s going to take quite a bit to get him and Marino, a 1st, Zucker, and a C+/B- prospect isn’t really that much. It would only be a lot if Miller was a rental but he’s not in this scenario.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WhyWait</b></div><div>Miller, Poolman for Zucker (-$2.75), Hallander, Marino, 1st
What holy mess is this?
No 1st with Marino for Miller
If you are going to retain om Zucker there is zero reason to trade him. He is point production issues but he is a very good hockey player. Cap relief is the only reason to move him so retaining 50% makes it moot.
Poolman $2.5Mx3 <<<< Zucker $5.5Mx1
Miller for Marino, 3rd</div></div>
You go to any Canucks fan with that offer and see how you get ripped for that. Miller is a top line center/winger. Marino is a solid top 4 RHD that would become expendable with Lyubushkin, who would probably be a great fit with Matheson. Zucker is better than Poolman for sure, but the pens need a 3rd d pairing and extra D lol. And most pens/Canucks fans have Miller and Myers for Marino, Kappy, and a 1st. I’d rather not have Myers cap hit. And just an fyi, Zucker at 50% retained is still a bigger cap hit than Poolman 🤷♂️