Jul 29, 2017
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchMarnerElite </b></div><div>IIRC, during the 2017 playoffs, Sheary got taken off Crosby's line after game 4 vs CBJ cuz of his poor performance. He was replaced by Hornqvist, who created 2 goals in game 1 vs WSH, then both him & Sid got hurt & they weren't reunited after that. Rust played in that spot until they put Sheary back for the finals.
So yes, you're right that Sheary's success was for a longer period of time, but that regular season was basically the only stretch of his career in which he's played like an elite hockey player. Hornqvist, though with a smaller sample size, was at least able to perform on that line when it mattered most (2018 playoffs). Plus he's been a top-line player scoring 20-30 goals a season his whole career.</div></div>
Yeah but not with Crosby lol. He had a short stint where they played well. But the last few times they tried it, notably this year and last year he stunk on crosbys line. He has played his best in a middle 6 role. Whereas Sheary has played his best with Crosby. And with Simon out, he is the best option outside of Zucker.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchMarnerElite </b></div><div>What are the stats that say the line plays better with Sheary on it? During the 2017 playoffs, Sheary played 3 games w/Sid & Jake vs Columbus, scored 1 point & then got replaced by Hornqvist. He didn’t earn his spot back until the Predators series.
During the 2018 playoffs, the Pens top line was Guentzel-Crosby-Hornqvist. Hornqvist had 11 points in 10 games, but most importantly, he drove to the net & retrieved pucks in the dirty area allowing Guentzel & Crosby to have more space to use their skillset. This allowed Guentzel & Crosby to score 21 points in 12 games. That is the highest scoring rate since Gretzky in 1993.
I agree Hornqvist has been declining, but even last season when they put him w/Sid & Jake during the regular season, the line scored several goals & had a very high expected goals rate (they only fared better w/Simon who’s now injured).</div></div>
Ummm the whole 16-17 season. He had 53 points playing on crosbys wing for the majority of the season. That was a much larger sample size than the handful of games Hornqvist played well. And again, that was 3 years ago. Hornqvist is older, slower, and taken quite the beating since. He’s not the same player. Sheary is still young. One is soon to be 34, the other just turned 28.
As for the 17 playoffs, Hornqvist played the majority on sids line and scored 9 points. Sheary had 7 points and only played 6-7 games with Crosby? So how can you even believe Hornqvist is a better fit than Sheary lol.
Most importantly, sid doesn’t like playing with him. You don’t tell your face of the franchise to f*** off just to appease Hornqvist. It goes the other way around.
Btw. In 17-18 he only played 10% of the time with Crosby and Guentzel and that line was tied for his worst offensive production. His best production came on the second line with Malkin and Hagelin. Which is where he played the majority of the season.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchMarnerElite </b></div><div>It’s not only about the goals. Sheary had a number of other chances today & he missed them. If it were Hornqvist, he would’ve scored.</div></div>
So you have a crystal ball? If not, what makes you think Hornqvist scores today if he were on the first line rather than the 3rd? If Hornqvist is on the first line, probably isn’t even in positions to score like Sheary was.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchMarnerElite </b></div><div>I understand that Sid prefers not to play w/him but historically, the top line has always performed its best, especially in the playoffs, with Horny on it. So really, they won’t be changing much other than making the top line better & adding speed to the McCann line.</div></div>
Historically the top line has done better with Sheary on it over Hornqvist. So no it wouldn’t make it better. Plus the success Hornqvist has had on it was a few years ago. He’s older, slower, and taken a lot more of a beating since then. Don’t really need to add speed to the McCann line. Especially when you add someone that doesn’t really score to the line. Once the real games start, that third line will be fine. Hornqvist and Marleau were simply playing not to get hurt. Once they start real games and lay it on the line, that line will be better.