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Jun 15, 2020
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MNWildFan57</b></div><div>What do you think our plans with Fiala would be after the trade for Strome?</div></div>
Sign him long-term and not keep Strome, after the seasons done. Move Strome at the draft, instead. Strome is a middle-six center, his value will stay on par with Greenway's irregardless if you move him later on. Worst case, we get what we would've gotten for Greenway a 2nd time. But there's at least a chance he could go off centering either Fiala or Kaprizov, and if he does that, then we could get an absolute haul for him on draft day.
Given our cap issues after this year, you can't afford either Greenway or Strome past this year anyway. Not unless we decide to move on from Fiala. Conversely, if we want to keep him, Greenway needs to go anyway. But by doing this, this allows us to have better center depth this year, and we already have internal options to replace Greenway in the lineup as it is. (Boldy, Beckman, Duhaime)
Strome's a rental, nothing more. But he's one we can build multiple assets on for later, if we were to trade for him now.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sad_Siegs</b></div><div>Marat is still unproven along with the first round pick, i think you are over valueing prospects and picks rather than a finished product. But i do understand what you are saying, but the wild are a playoff team and will need to make a push to get to a championship level team. Marat probably wont bring that, the same is true with who gets picked.</div></div>
I'm not talking about a single playoff push for this year. I'm referring to the $12M in dead cap space next year and the $14M in dead cap space in the two years after that. Holding onto and keeping, then using, our prospects ELC's is paramount if we want to stay competitive during those years. This goes beyond just one year, this is more about keeping a realistic long-term outlook on the franchise than anything else.
In this regard, utilizing our prospect pool of Rossi, Boldy, Addison, Beckman, Khusnutdinov, Lambos, O'Rourke, Wallstedt on ELCs as cheap roster inclusions during the next 4 years as they make the NHL is more important than either a center or than two players who don't move the needle enough for us to properly contend. We're more than just a Kuznetsov and Hagelin away from doing that.
We won't have the means to properly go for the cup until the dead cap comes down in 2025 to a more manageable $1.6M. In this case the youth fits our timeline better than a 29 year old Kuzy. We're also taking on $11M in cap in this trade, and not sending an equivalent amount back. We have less than $3M in cap space right now, how are we supposed to afford this? The answer is we don't, and decline this trade for the multiple reasons I just stated above.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>I mean you are overrating him, he scored 2 goals on an AHL backup, 1 rebound on Kuemper after someone fell on him and 1 against a mediocre backup. Its fine to be excited about him but to say he's worth more than a top 6 center is so incredibly homer</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Marcsnack</b></div><div>Schmaltz is that top 6 C the Wild can acquire without having to give up Rossi/Boldy. The value can be changed a bit, but I wanted it to be close to what Dvorak got in return. There are other teams who need a top 6 C as well, so I could change that. Just felt like MIN was a good spot for him.</div></div>
And I highly disagree that Schmaltz is anything close to being a top 6 center. Or that he carries anywhere close to that justifiable level of value. That's where we differ, he may play in Arizona's top six but that doesn't make him a legitimate top six center either. Just because Rask played with Kaprizov last year, does that make him a legitimate top six center too? Of course it doesn't.
Schmaltz's numbers have been bouyed by playing with Garland and Keller/Kessel the last two seasons once Dvorak got taken off that line and replaced by Schmaltz. Funny how Dvorak's best season came when he was on that line instead, three seasons ago. After that, Dvorak's numbers dropped and Schmaltz's rose. That's not a coincidence.
Everyone considers Dvorak to be nothing more than a 3rd line center type, when in actuality he's more skilled and talented of a player than Schmaltz is. Dvorak is a middle six center, by his skill and talent alone. I struggle to see Schmaltz as the same or in equal light. Dvorak is what people think Schmaltz is.
And as I said before, this is based on my having watched more than enough of them over the years.
In my opinion, I do not see or view Schmaltz as someone worth giving up one of our top prospects like Beckman for. The fact I have a much lower opinion on the guy then you two seem to do, is in large part of why I dislike it so much. And yes, I may be *homering* slightly about one of my team's top 5 prospects in our prospect pool, but that is nothing unusual. That is something every teams fans do constantly.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Im gonna say Keller is right up there with Chychrun in untouchable
Larsson is worth more.
Damn talk about overrating your prospects, Beckman likely wont be as good as Schmaltz</div></div>
Schmaltz is highly overrated, IMO, and I've watched a lot of him over the years. I don't like him, never have. Yes, it's my own biased opinion, but I'm entitled to it.
Beckman was the leading scorer in the WHL in his Draft+1 year, produced well in both the AHL and WHL in last years broken up pandemic infused season, and was legitimately our best looking prospect out of Rossi, Boldy, and Addison during training camp this year. If Guerin hadn't claimed Rem Pitlick off waivers, closing one of the original two open forward spots we had this year, he's on the roster <em>right now</em>. As it stands, Duhaime has paid his dues in the AHL and is NHL ready now. He earned that final spot.
That said, all Beckman does is score goals and shoot the puck. By an absolute f**k-ton. I don't know about you, but 4 goals in 3 games during a NHL pre-season, with 12 minutes TOI average in a 3rd line role is pretty damn impressive to me for what is apparently overrating a prospect who has grown from being viewed as a bottom six scoring forward when he was originally drafted, to a middle six scoring threat, to his current projection of being a top six winger as his new floor.
But yeah, sure, I guess I'm overrating him apparently.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>drmantalban</b></div><div>I take this in a heartbeat as a Wild fan. Not even a moment of hesitation.</div></div>
Yeah, I get it. I love Draisaitl, he's a absolute beast. But my point is we don't win Tuesday if he's on the roster. Take out Foligno, when he's the heart-and-soul of the team, and we 100% roll over and just die and give up on that game. Fans are then 100% justified walking out on it once Scheifele scores the ENG. Stick a fork in them, they're done.
Sometimes, it's not about the talent. It's about a team's identity, as this poster is correctly seeking, and why he wants Foligno.
People look at the Wild and think Kaprizov is the face of our franchise. And our team identity too. They're only half-right. Foligno is that other half. Without him, we're stuck in the same rut we've always been in. Low-effort, low-energy, mentality that would cave at the first sign of trouble.
Foligno doesn't let us ever get there, or to that point. As amazing as Draisaitl is, he doesn't put us over the top or move the needle to contender status for us. Especially when our heart and soul got traded to make it happen. We're just a hollow shell of our former selves if we do. Don't underestimate what Foligno brings to our roster or our lockerroom, because while Edmonton definitely isn't getting full or near enough value here for Draisaitl, they'll be much happier once they've won the cup. Foligno is exactly the type of playoff presence they need and figure to get them over the hump.