SlickWilly

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Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 11:29 pm
Thread: Turcotte for Domi
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tkecanuck341</b></div><div>Turcotte is expansion draft exempt. Poehling is not. That alone vetoes any trade with those two players as the core.

If you want Turcotte, there's no way you're getting him unless you send back Caufield. I'm not saying the Kings would do that trade, but that's the only player in the Habs' system that the Kings would be remotely interested in giving up Turcotte for.</div></div>

I agree with this <a href="/users/math731" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@math731</a> Poehling is probably a 2-3 c at the moment... Turcotte is having a down season compared to his projection, and as a student at wisconsin this upsets me greatly. But his value is so much higher than Poehling right now. Turcotte is still in the year after his draft, where as Poehling is a little bit down the road, but hes still in that prospect phase where his value is still projection based not result based. If it were a team like the avalanche where they are already in that competing phase and could use the help right now and next year as opposed to waiting a couple years, I think it would be a little closer, but the Kings literally arent going to do anything until Turcotte or whoever they would trade him for (top prospect wise) hits his stride, so they dont really have a reason to trade for a guy like Poehling. I could see a 3 team trade scenario where the bones of it are Price to COL, Byram/Poehling to LAK, and Turcotte to MTL. I think you should explore that and then tag me in it, Id be really curious to see what you come up with on that front!
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 10:10 pm
Thread: Turcotte for Domi
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>newballcoach</b></div><div>Turcotte just got named the #1 prospect in the #1 system in the NHL. Just a hunch, but he's not available. And they would absolutely want more then Domi.</div></div>

being the #1 prospect system doesnt really speak to Turcotte as much as it does to the Kings depth of system. They have guys all the way down to 15th on the list who project to play in the NHL. If you read the description of him he projects to be more of a Toews/Larkin type player than a flat out skill guy.
That being said, no way they trade for Domi in any circumstance, who may choose to just leave and sign somewhere else. Then what? They got a worse draft pick because Domi won them more games, they lose their top prospect...? Doesnt make sense. Only way turcotte gets moved is for 2 lower level prospects. For MTL to get Turcotte, theyd have to trade Caufield plus, and that kinda defeats the purpose here
Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 8:07 pm
Thread: This made more sense before Jones injury
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BCAPP</b></div><div>Kapanen is 27th in points by a RW this season (<a href="http://hkref.com/tiny/QvOGv" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">http://hkref.com/tiny/QvOGv</a>)
He is tied for 30th the last two seasons (<a href="http://hkref.com/tiny/2xD5s" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">http://hkref.com/tiny/2xD5s</a>)

He's produced like a low end first line RW or a high end second line RW.

People think a first line RW is Kucherov or Kane. They're the elite.

There is a huge drop off after the first 20 or so. After that first and second line wingers are guys like Kapanen</div></div>

Yes thats why I said he isnt a 3rd liner. I do not think that Kapanen would succeed in a 1st line role playing the top matchups every night. That is why he is not a 1st liner either. He is in the upper top 6 range for sure, but like I said, when dealing for a top 4 defenseman, a position of need for TOR especially with Rielly out long term, the top 4 dman would hold a lot more value to TOR than Kapanen would, especially since he is going to get a raise in both AAV and term when his current contract expires, something TOR doesnt figure to have available on a guy they can only put on the 3rd line because he isnt better than their other wingers
Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 7:41 pm
Thread: This made more sense before Jones injury
Value is relative. Other teams have leverage on Toronto in any deal involving Johnsson or Kapanen because they play 3rd line minutes and likely wont get much more than that before their current contracts expire, in which both of them would probably require a raise. Their value is greater as a trade asset for acquiring a top 4 defensemen than as a player, which is likely the dilemma and why a deal around them would be so complicated. So what Im saying is while their value is not that of a 3rd liner, it isnt that of a top line forward either, even if theyd be doing better than most other forwards on the team because thats not how he is playing in toronto, because he is (probably) getting sheltered minutes while the Matthews and Tavares lines get the tough match ups