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Forum: Armchair-GM13 hours ago
Thread: Marner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Claesson4Norris</b></div><div>Ottawa needs to stop punting these high picks</div></div>

I completely agree, if we could undo Duchene, DeBrincat and Chychrun to keep the picks... 4th in '19 couldve been Seider, 7th in '22 couldve been Mintyukov or Geekie, 12th last year couldve been Benson.

But unlike all of those trades I think Marner represents the best player by a mile and in this scenario he would also come with an extension which would negate what we saw with the other 3 where we watched them get flipped back out (pending Chychrun) for less a year later after no extension was ever put in place.

It would make the cap scenario extremely difficult but I think a 20-30G 80-100P player in the middle of his prime would guarantee playoffs and put them immediately into a window of contention. Norris could be flipped back out, G may be willing to re-sign for less. If the extension could be for 11-11.5m it may very well be worth the headache.
Forum: Armchair-GMFri. at 3:57 p.m.
Thread: Does Ottawa want to get their draft pick guy
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KentMcNally</b></div><div>After I posted I also considered editing the trade and having Montreal add their 2nd round pick from Colorado (which would be a late second) to offset some of what Ottawa is getting. Not sure if that would be enough or not.

As one person said above, sometimes teams get really focused on getting "their guy", so maybe Ottawa would do such a trade. The late first round pick that Ottawa has from Boston is nice to have (for Montreal or Ottawa), but given the draft is not tremendously deep, maybe Ottawa would do it to get who they want and not lose that player to Arizona/Utah.</div></div>

Yeah I understand what youre trying to get at but I think youre off in terms of value.

Picks generally dont change hands that much in the top 10-15 because the value of the players tend to be so similar but I found a couple from recent drafts. In 2022 Arizona gave picks up picks 34 and 45 to move up 16 places from 27 to 11. In 2019 Arzona gave up pick 45 to move 4 places from 15 to 11. In 2016 Ottawa gave up pick 80 to go from 12 to 11.

But as mentioned above the last time a trade happened that would be similar to this was in 2008. Nashville got picks 37 and 68 to go back two spots from 5 to 7 then got pick 40 to go back again from 7 to 9.

So it is possible that 5 and 7 could be swapped but if anything it would be for a 2nd or maybe along with a 3rd as well.