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Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 28 at 7:59 p.m.
Thread: TDL Loading Up For Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Xqb15a</b></div><div>uh huh because if the defending Cup champions come calling you’re going to sign with Chicago instead? Come on the week before they traded DeBrincat and Dach don’t QO Strome. Domi took what was available (no criticism) but if you think Domi he of 27 years of age having played for 5 teams is the answer at C because he has played well in 7 games in October I have some real estate I’d like you to buy.</div></div>

Maybe some UFAs wanted to sign quick since the cap hasnt risen much and there wasnt much cap space to go around. I dont know all the details but based on reports he was jumping at the opportunity to play for Richardson again. If he waited then maybe COL wouldve called him up after they signed Lehkonen, who knows

Its just an idea, you dont need to be so quick to shut everything down, especially when there has been interest from the Avs in the past. Im not saying Domi would be the perfect 2C, maybe he ends up on the wing again and one of ERod or Newhook could play C but its an option at least
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 28 at 5:34 p.m.
Thread: Some Big Trades and Some Math
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Timmah007</b></div><div>Edmonton was using ltir entering the season when teams do that the cap becomes fixed at that for the year so Edmonton will not be gaining any extra wiggle room by deadline. This is why teams generally try to put injuried players on the opening season roster before placing back on ltir. Holland obviously couldn't maneuver around both klef and Smith. Ltir can get a bit confusing that's just my limited knowledge. If I'm mistaken please let me know.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>That sounds right to me. For sure Edmonton won't be accruing any cap space during the season.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lancebmx</b></div><div>You did alot of math and it was fun to read but unfortunately it doesn't work for Edmonton. Pretty sure you can't accrue cap space when using LTIR.</div></div>

I think the point of the ACSL is to be able to accrue cap space while using LTIR

from Capfriendly's LTIR FAQ:
"When a team goes into LTIR, their effective salary cap, or upper limit, is changed. This adjusted upper limit is calculated as a function of the teams cap space and the player’s cap hit. This value is the “accruable cap space limit” (ACSL), and is the first value calculated. Second are the salary and performance bonus relief pools that are later explained below.

The accruable cap space limit is the teams new upper limit excluding their LTIR relief pools. If the team operates below the ACSL, they begin to accrue cap space."

EDIT: I'm seeing all over twitter than you can't accrue cap space while in LTIR but the FAQ page seems to contradict that, unless I'm misinterpreting something
Forum: NHLOct. 28 at 1:33 p.m.
Thread: 2022-23 NHL Season Discussion Thread #3: The Toronto Maple LTI's
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yikes</b></div><div>I have no doubt Makar is going to be a HOF legend - but Karlsson had Turris to Makars MacKinnon, Karlsson had Methot Ceci and Borowiecki and Makar has Toews Byram and Girard. And Stone Mika weren’t the players they grew up to be, compared to Rantanen and Landy who Makar has always had. This isn’t even mentioning the AV’s immense depth.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Alfie11</b></div><div>I mean, in 2017 Ottawa was 1 goal away from likely winning a cup (I don’t think Nashville was beating either East team that year), but the main difference is Makar has Rantanen, MacKinnon, Devon Toews, etc. If you put Makar on the Sens teams EK65 was on, he would maybe put up similar numbers, but he’s never had to hard carry an otherwise mediocre team like Karlsson did. I would say they’re close, and Makar likely passes EK65 soon (like let’s be real, if the voters don’t pull some “everyone gets a lifetime achievement award” bs like they did in the 2010s, the next half dozen Norrises, barring injury, should go to Makar), but EK65’s body of work over the decade was pretty impressive considering his best D partner was Marc Methot (like, would he even crack Colorado’s top 4?) and his 1C was Kyle Turris (who woulda been the Avs’s 3C lol)</div></div>

Makar definitely has a better supporting cast but theres still such a massive gap in performance

Defensively its not even a question, Makar blows Karlsson out of the water, so realistically the only thing that Karlsson <em>maybe</em> has an edge at is offense, but even that is debatable since Makar has outproduced him. Does a hypothetical 'what if' scenario of Karlsson's production with better teammates trump Makar's actual production with better teammates? Does one point per game season and one magical playoff run where he led his team with 18P in 19GP really negate the difference in defensive play and put Karlsson above Makar who also had a magical run where he led his team with 29P in 20GP? They were/are both their teams best player and while Makar had a better team he also put up much better numbers. Idk what more you can ask for from Makar. Its unfortunate we didnt get to see Karlsson play with the talent Makar gets to but thats not enough to put him over Makar imo
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 28 at 1:06 p.m.
Thread: TDL Loading Up For Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DangleCat</b></div><div>Max Domi has been a stud to start the season. I cant imagine his value has jumped too much already, but if he keeps performing like he is I could see something like a conditional first on the higher end.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>Domi has been playing well. I'm not sure his value will dramatically swing upward though. He's been given a lot of ice time. He's making good use of it. I think a 2nd is reasonable. The retention makes it tough though...kane/toews will each need retention. With only 1 additional slot left I imagine Kyle Davidson will use it where ever he gets the most value. Not saying a 1st is what Domi should get, but if you want that last retention...it might be what it costs. Otherwise a 2nd to CHI and a 3rd to another team for them to retain.</div></div>

Depends on if he can keep it up until the deadline but if he does then those values seem reasonable. Avs probably wont even need retention if they can accrue enough cap space by then
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 28 at 12:15 p.m.
Forum: NHLOct. 28 at 11:46 a.m.
Thread: 2022-23 NHL Season Discussion Thread #3: The Toronto Maple LTI's
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Alfie11</b></div><div>Prime Erik Karlsson was the best defenseman in the league for a solid 6 years minimum. Robbed of at least 2, arguably 3 Norris trophies. Best player in the world in spring of 2017 (better than Crosby and McDavid). EK65 walked so Makar could run. Reminds me a lot of EK65’s earlier years, I would say they’re close to comparable right now (edge EK65 because in 2017 he was unbelievable and Makar is probably “only” the 3rd or 4th best player in the world) but I still expect Makar to improve and likely surpass EK65. If McDavid hadn’t thrown down 33 points or whatever in the playoffs we’d probably be talking about last year’s Makar similarly to 2017 Karlsson.</div></div>

Maybe its my Avs bias but I think Makar is better than Karlsson ever was. 1.12 P/GP in the reg season and 1.45P/GP in the playoffs are both significantly higher than the numbers Karlsson ever put up and Makar did it en route to a cup and conn smythe. And thats only comparing offensive production - looking at defensive play the gap only grows bigger
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 27 at 1:25 p.m.
Thread: Likeliest Horvat Destinations
Seems like too much for Horvat imo. Take out either the 2nd or the prospect

TDL rental Cs:

Copp = Morgan Barron + 1st + 2nd (this is the best case scenario imo, where you get two picks and a prospect and get lucky with a conditional pick upgrading because the team makes a deep playoff run)
Giroux = Tippett + 1st + 3rd (Giroux is significantly better than Horvat but the NMC complicated things and lowered the return, im not sure how useful this is as a comp)
Pageau = 1st + 2nd (this is roughly what I think he would get, maybe swap the 2nd for a prospect instead of the pick. Pageau in 2020 is similar in value to Horvat now)
Hayes = Lemieux + 1st (This is the lower end of the trade return imo. Hayes was significantly better in 18-19 than Horvat is now but for whatever reason only got a 1st + young bottom 6 roster player)
Stastny = Foley + 1st (Stastny in 17-18 was also better than Horvat is now imo. This return is also on the lower end of a prospect + 1st)