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Forum:
Armchair-GM
10 hours ago
Thread:
flip horvat to prg
Why would Winnipeg pay more for Horvat than the Islanders did? That little bit of retention isn't worth that much more. It's basically offset by having him for far less time.
Rentals also never return 2 1sts plus.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
11 hours ago
Thread:
Jets all the way
Chicago would want more for both players and the Jets shouldn't really have any interest in Toews. Domi would be a good pickup though.
Far too much for Winnipeg to give up for a rental winger. No chance the Jets move a top 4 defenseman and two firsts for him. He's not worth significantly more than Horvat.
While the 3rd trade is nice for the Jets, there is no incentive for Columbus to do it.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
11 hours ago
Thread:
Time to go all in
The Jets have no reason to downgrade Stanley to a player with only one year of term left.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
12 hours ago
Thread:
On March 3rd
Montreal would need to add a 1st minimum and take back an equal amount of long term bad contacts and/or cap dumps to make this an even remote possibility.
No one is taking Anderson as a cap dump without some heavy compensation.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 10:35 p.m.
Thread:
Next season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LIRIK</b></div><div>I already told you and i'll do it again, you're too intense. No bubble bursting. No grasping at anything. Just pointing out there's a huge chance the Islanders didn't give all that for a rental.
So your guess is they gave their 2023 1st and Raty for Horvat as a rental? That's your thought? I think that's very unlikely.
If Horvat extend with the Islanders before July 1st, then he wasn't a rental and that's why they paid so much.
If Dubois won't extend with any other team than MTL, then he's a rental for the 30 other teams, and would be worth a lot less than Horvat.</div></div>
Lol. You've got a false narrative and are upset that it holds no bearing in reality so you accuse others of being too intense.
We have the fact that hockey insiders said, Vancouver did not allow anyone to speak to Horvat's agent before the trade. Yet you choose to stick to your narrative that the Islanders did tamper and talk to Horvat's agent ahead of time so that they had a good idea that he might resign in New York. Even though Horvat himself has said that he has not talked to the Islanders about an extension. But again, you are assuming Horvat is lying and had talked.
If Horvat signs with the Islanders now or before July 1st, it has no bearing on the fact that the Islanders traded for him as a rental. They had no way of knowing if he would or would not resign. Those are facts, not opinions.
Trying to stretch the signing period to six months, just shows that you know you have nothing to back your assumptions, so you're trying to extend the signing period as long as possible, so you can use that to back your faulty assumption if by coincidence he does stay in New York.
There isn't a single fact that backs your opinion or adds credence to your justification of lowball offers.
You may not like it, but facts back up what Jet fans have been saying all along. You won't get Dubois for a handful of valueless pieces, no matter how much you wish it. The Horvat deal has given us a good idea of what a good center will cost as a rental.
From that we can extrapolate that a full year minimum of a younger, better 1C will cost more than what Horvat returned.
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
Yesterday at 9:24 p.m.
Thread:
Chychrun to the Jets
Winnipeg should not be offering to overpay for two players they don't need.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 9:15 p.m.
Thread:
Another project
Winnipeg has zero need for LHD and would not want Edmundson on the books next year.
All the other teams say no to the heavily lopsided in Montreal's favour deals as well.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 5:19 p.m.
Thread:
Dubois Klingberg
You'll be paying more for Dubois than Horvat got and this isn't it. Easy no for Winnipeg.
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
Yesterday at 3:13 p.m.
Thread:
PL big D
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>Yeah Montreal is not trading Slaf, IF we traded for PLD this summer it is likely to create a 2nd line of Slaf-PLD-Anderson to compliment the Caufield-Suzuki-Dach line anyway. I can see the Habs doing a deal post draft with the Jets though, not entirely sure what that would look like but have to assume the 2024 1st and a couple of good prospects like Barron, Kidney, Roy or Mesar are involved (not all of them though, probably 2 of them)</div></div>
Yup, you'd be looking at giving up pieces that are a little bit better than what Horvat just got.
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
Yesterday at 3:01 p.m.
Thread:
PL big D
I can't see Montreal trading Slafkovsky. This would be in the summer as PLD won't be traded before then, so Monahan will be UFA. So, the value in the summer for PLD isn't close.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 2:56 p.m.
Thread:
Demko
Winnipeg won't be moving any starting roster players before the TDL, unless they are upgrading that player.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 2:11 p.m.
Thread:
2023 Offseason Goign for the cup
Awful for the teams that aren't Vegas.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 2:09 p.m.
Thread:
Next season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LIRIK</b></div><div>No way they gave that much for a rental. They know he's extending. If he does, then Dubois price is half that.</div></div>
Nope. No evidence supports that. Horvat even confirmed yesterday that he has not talked to the Islanders about an extension. Sorry to burst your bubble. I don't think there are any more straws for you to grasp at.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 1:28 p.m.
Thread:
Next season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LIRIK</b></div><div>If Dubois will only sign with MTL, then he is a rental for all the other 30 teams.
With all the NYI gave for Horvat, i'm sure they have an extension signed and he's not a rental.</div></div>
Possibly. But with all the information we have right now that is a slim possibility for Dubois and even if it is true, it is a full year of Dubois, so that makes him worth more than a 2 or 3 month rental.
Without an extension in place for Horvat, he was traded as a rental. They may hope to sign him, but he was traded as a pure rental. I know you want to cling to the assumption that they know he is resigning to justify the lowball offers, but again with what we know right now, Horvat was traded as a pure rental.
It was also widely reported that the Canucks were not allowing teams to speak to Horvat's agent before the TDL. So another very strong piece of evidence that the Islanders traded for Horvat as a pure rental.
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
Yesterday at 12:17 p.m.
Thread:
PLD Trade Offseason
The value is fair, but Montreal isn't trading their first. The deal wouldn't be done until we know where the picks land, so it will be easier to assess then.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 11:16 a.m.
Thread:
TDL23
The Jets aren't trading Heinola for a couple of unneeded, rental plugs.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 11:07 a.m.
Thread:
Offseason resign and moves
It will cost you more than that to move Bailey to a team that doesn't need him and doesn't have the cap space for him.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 10:09 a.m.
Thread:
Oh well why not
Zero chance Dubois is moved for that. The Horvat deal is the bare minimum now.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 9:44 a.m.
Thread:
Next season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LIRIK</b></div><div>Horvat isn't a rental, can't compare his value to Dubois. CGY 1st could be 2024 between 20-32 or chances at a 2025 high pick. Edmundson has value as a rental.</div></div>
You're mixed up. Horvat is a rental, Dubois isn't and is also younger and better. So, yes you can use Horvat's trade value as a bare minimum for Dubois.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mon. at 11:29 p.m.
Thread:
Meier sign and trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>toque</b></div><div>Apparently he's good friends with Ehlers, so there's a chance ;)</div></div>
Not much of one and the Jets don't need another expensive winger anyways. They have more important players to sign.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mon. at 11:25 p.m.
Thread:
Meier sign and trade
Not a chance Meier extends in Winnipeg.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mon. at 11:18 p.m.
Thread:
Next season
You're not getting a full year Dubois for less than Horvat got as a rental. You're also not going to be able to include a cap dump like Edmundson.
Less than zero chance Winnipeg waits 3 years for the 1st.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mon. at 5:58 p.m.
Thread:
Underwhelming horvat return
Huge return for a rental. Well done Vancouver.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mon. at 3:55 p.m.
Thread:
Cup at Portage amp Main 2
The Jets aren't making a lateral move for a more expensive rental defenseman.
Winnipeg has no need for Puljujarvi or to overpay to get him before he heads back to Europe this off season.
San Jose says no and Meier isn't signing an extension in Winnipeg. The Jets also don't need another expensive winger.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mon. at 3:49 p.m.
Thread:
Cup at Portage and Main
No from Winnipeg on the first 3. McCabe says no and the Jets don't need LHD for the last one.
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