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Forum:
Armchair-GM
Sat. at 4:43 a.m.
Thread:
contender kessel
Ottawa has no interest in that and it's actually the last thing they need to do
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 10:43 p.m.
Thread:
Younger cheaper
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Knuckl3s</b></div><div>Then why wasn't he traded at the past deadline for a 1st +? Since he only fetched a 2nd in the off-season. I'm not sure I believe you man</div></div>
I have been extremely busy but like I said, Pierre Dorion has no idea what asset management means. And he has no foresight
So the combination of both makes it that he didn't plan to trade Connor Brown last deadline. Sens were not close to playoffs team. He should have traded for SURE.
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 10:41 p.m.
Thread:
Playoff Team
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bagelbob</b></div><div>every fanbase overvalues their own prospects, so i don’t put too much stock in a fan poll. like i said before, formenton does nothing for me right now in the face of the hockey canada thing, but even without that i’d much prefer a top 10 pick like schneider got or a better prospect than formenton. forsberg had a good year last year but was on waivers the year before, can he be consistent? and a second round pick again is fine but i’d prefer a first. i’d be looking for upgrades to all three pieces and to me that means it’s far from enough.</div></div>
Yeah but it's a community that I have been hanging with since 2008 and I'd say many posters are quite knowledgeable. Some even have scouting experience. We have observed Formenton's evolution for years and he's already pretty valuable. Just the fact that he has McDavid speed make him automatically very valuable.
https://www.silversevensens.com/2022/1/26/22901993/alex-formenton-has-arrived-ottawa-senators-sens-nhl
If he's guilty in the scandal he has no value and he can go to hell from all I care. e just have no idea and can only speculate. If he's not guilty then he has pretty good value. The guy led the league in short handed goals and actually think he will end up top-10 in NHL history if he is not a grade A a-hole
Anyway, if I had Sorokin no way I'd be trading him
For Forsberg we never know with goalies that I don't have a long track record but I don't know, he didn't look like a flash in the pan to me. Note that I called a lot of goalies like that (I have been a goalie for 30+ years) in the past, including Andre Hammond when he was 20-1-2 and 0.941 SV% and Mike Condon when he relieved Craig Anderson.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Thu. at 10:31 p.m.
Thread:
August Trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>swinny</b></div><div>I think you have Chabot's Methot with Zub. You are looking for a 2nd pairing guy.
Carlo will cost the Sens dearly, so let's get that out if the way. Parayko could be an intersting fit.
But, I would go shopping in LA. Walker or Roy are there. Durzi takes one of those spits, while Edler fills out the bottom pairing with Björnföt sitting in the weeds.
If you are thinking in more physical terms, that is where I would be headed.</div></div>
How much could Carlo cost? I mean he's a defensive D-man, pretty much like Methot was. Sens traded Foligno to get Carlo. But if I am Boston I'm not trading Carlo now so he's probably just not available
Would Parayko be available? Because I feel that's the guy Chabot would need. He has a lot of term left but I would still take the risk
From LA, I would interested in Roy, not Walker.
But still so many options and it could just end up being Chabot-Zub + Sanderson + JBD. I know it's rookie pairing but these guys know each others well and are some pretty impressive defensive smarts. Then have a more offensive 3rd pairing with Brannstrom and Holden (until Thomson is ready)
But anyway, Hamonic will be a stop gap this season
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mon. at 9:16 p.m.
Thread:
Another move for Laffy
Is it possible to unsee this thread?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mon. at 9:09 p.m.
Thread:
Sens me a Right Winger and some Luc
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sensonfire</b></div><div>Ottawa accepts.</div></div>
You mean if Batherson is guilty? He would be suspended (and hopefully imprisoned) and not traded
As of now, he has more value than the Flames package
Sens aren't adding Pinto and a 1st on top of it lol
That's a package for Huberdeau with retention
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mon. at 8:35 p.m.
Thread:
who says no
1. ANA says NO NO NO
2. WPG says NO (maybe if you change Mailloux; trading for sexual offenders is not very trendy)
3. MTL says no
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 7 at 8:16 p.m.
Thread:
cshores-status quo almost
Don't see the point for Ottawa
They have Jake Sanderson, Erik Brannstrom, Lassi Thomson, Jacob Bernard-Docker, Tyler Kleven, etc, etc in the process of establishing themselves with the team. Dermott doesn't stand a chance in that group.
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 7 at 8:13 p.m.
Thread:
The playoff senators Sanderson for Calder
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MatthewsFan</b></div><div>Do I need to list the number of players picked in the top 5 that have been busts. By no means am I suggesting Sanderson will, but expecting him to be a star or not have any growing pains simply because he was a top 5 pick is silly</div></div>
That type of player is easily projectable. One of my easiest calls in the last decade.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jake Sanderson. <a href="https://t.co/3JYqz3huFO" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">pic.twitter.com/3JYqz3huFO</a></p>— Locked On Senators (@SensCentral) <a href="https://twitter.com/SensCentral/status/1556249021945094144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">August 7, 2022</a></blockquote>
This is a Dman btw</div></div>
His defensive game is much more impressive.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 5 at 10:58 p.m.
Thread:
Borderlands 2 is worse than the first
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NDoody</b></div><div>Better than Hammonic as a pairing/mentor for Sanderson?</div></div>
Maybe he'd be a good "character" but not necessarily someone you want Sanderson to have to carry in the D zone as a rookie
Brannstrom is probably already better defensively and will start catching up offensively. We don't need Barrie
We need health and a solid defensive RHD
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 2 at 7:47 p.m.
Thread:
Playoff Team
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bagelbob</b></div><div>i don’t know about pure value since we haven’t seen a goalie trade for a player of his caliber in a long time but it would have to be a significantly better package than this to get the islanders to take it. at least one top prospect and a first rounder to start any conversation.</div></div>
One I can think of :
Jun. 30, 2013
New Jersey Devils Acquire: Cory Schneider
Vancouver Canucks Acquire: 2013 1st round pick (NJD - #9 - Bo Horvat)
Alex Formenton IS that top prospect you're talking about. It just happened that he played 1 NHL season at 22 y/o and led the league in short handed goals (5) and added 13 ES goals.
I made a poll asking Sens fans a few months ago :
Would you have traded Alex Formenton for a late 1st round pick at the past deadline? Which asset would you rather have?
Alex Formenton (22 y/o, RFA) Votes: 118 96.7%
1st round pick in 2022 (27th OA to 32nd OA) Votes: 4 3.3%
Total voters 122 Poll closed May 5, 2022.
Forsberg + 2nd is a pretty nice add on top of him. I totally understand if you don't see this because there's absolutely no reason to trade Sorokin unless it was for a ransom. I would seriously ask the same for Mads Sogaard and he has played 2 NHL games.
So I repeat again, while it may not be "enough", thinking it's far from enough is hyperbole, at best.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 2 at 7:33 p.m.
Thread:
Next year pipe dreams
Sens aren't moving Greig for Severson.
The only way I could see them moving him to NJ is making a package offer for Nemec
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 2 at 7:24 p.m.
Thread:
Next year
Oh boy, you have no idea how fast Ottawa declines this
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 2 at 7:22 p.m.
Thread:
If Greig must be included
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>He wants 3 good assets.
A 2023 1st is 1 good asset in a great draft.
JBD or Thomson is another. Both project top 4 but bring different skillsets .
I don’t see why Ostapchuk and another 2nd round pick wouldn’t equal 1 good asset.
JBD
Ostapchuk
2023 1st
Washington 2024 2nd rounder
That has to be close imo. I can’t see a team giving up 3 high end assets</div></div>
I am not giving up the 2023 first AND Greig so yeah, gotta be something like you proposed or pass and explore some other avenue
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 2 at 6:47 p.m.
Thread:
Playoff Team
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheHebrewHammer</b></div><div>Value, sure. The kind of value to get an arguably top 5 goalie in the league. Absolutely ****ing not!</div></div>
Hmm what is he worth? I have followed the NHL for a long time and goalies never had the same comparative value to players
Forsberg is only 2-3 years older so both goalies are still young, he was pretty good last year. Sure Sorokin is a much better bet to continue to be great but that's why Formenton and 2nd are added. I'm not saying that would do it but acting like it was not even close is hyperbole at best
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bagelbob</b></div><div>formenton has no value to me IMO until the hockey canada investigation is resolved, but even then he can't be the headlining piece in a package for a top 5 goalie in the league.</div></div>
He shouldn't be in trade proposals at all. No idea why people are putting him there
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 2 at 6:41 p.m.
Thread:
August Trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>swinny</b></div><div>I say those are misinformed Leafs fans.
Here is the thing about Holl: he is a positional defenseman. He isn't going to hit bodies. Some of those Leafs fans move him because, frankly, the Leafs blueline needs a physical.presence beyond Muzzin. Moving Liligren or Sandin to accomplish this is lunacy; and moving Brodie right now would be counter productive (best partner Reilly has had since Ron Hainsey). All this leaves Holl.
So, it's not that we are all hot and horny to move Holl; he isn't what the Leafs blueline needs right now.
Throwing out Tom Preissing (who actually wasn't bad, just the Sens made the mistake of signing the guy after a career year in LA) is impressive, but Holl has a body of work that says:
1) he can play top 4 minutes
2) he can play them competently
Maybe he isn't waht the Sens need, but they need a RD that can play top 4..... so unless Chris Tanev is on the table (a guy I would target with 2 years left) , and you want to spent an additional $2.5 million because he can hit people, have at it.</div></div>
The point about Preissing is that it's easier to have good advanced stats on a great team... I should have found a more recent example but that's all I had at that moment, Holl is not really a player I want to debate for long
To contend, Sens need some experience but also a guy like Parayko/Carlo, someone who can play with Chabot. Holl is not that level
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 2 at 4:48 p.m.
Thread:
Chychrun
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>justaBoss</b></div><div>It's no question that the cap matters too, although granted it's probably not as much as the actual salary. Total money between the two is fairly similar but Zaitsev has signing bonuses which are hard to muster for a small market team like Arizona. I'm convinced dumping him will cost a first, or two seconds and a third.
Boucher is not sensible guy to add into trades as his value is such a big ??? right now.</div></div>
If that's the price then don't be surprised if the Sens just keep Zaitsev around, at least one more season
And as much as I disliked Boucher's pick, I would be even more upset if they trade him not at lowest value
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 2 at 4:01 p.m.
Thread:
Chychrun
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>justaBoss</b></div><div>This offseason cap dumps have been exceptionally expensive. If Nemeth who is almost twice cheaper than Zaitsev with very cheap buyout cost 2nd+3rd to dump, I think Zaitsev will cost a first.
I'd be surprised if Boucher ever plays a single NHL game. That was the biggest mis-pick at 10th overall slot in probably last 10 years or so.</div></div>
Nemeth being a decent comparison but there is no "almost twice cheaper", both have 2 seasons left. Nemeth owed 6 M$ while Zaitsev is owed 7 M$. It's not cap teams who are taking these dumps so real money matters
I have hated the Boucher pick since the beginning but I'm not going to bet against the Sens scouting department, they have proven us wrong countless times. Boucher has tools but the kid needs to start putting them together
He's not going to be traded now either way unless someone gives up substantial value for him, which would be stupid.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 2 at 3:57 p.m.
Thread:
Playoff Team
There is value to that package but Isles won't want to trade Sorokin
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 2 at 3:53 p.m.
Thread:
Fistful of World Junior Prospects
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Oh gotcha.
Is there a Devils poll?</div></div>
Yes they are doing the 2022 Prospect Rankings #6 right now
So far :
1 Luke Hughes
2 Simon Nemec
3 Alexander Holtz
4 Arseni Gritsyuk
5 Shakir Mukhamadullin
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 2 at 3:12 p.m.
Thread:
Fistful of World Junior Prospects
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Whoa. And you are running it? Good on you.
Not sure about PMs. It’s good idea.</div></div>
No sorry it wasn't clear, I'm not running the forum.
I am running the polls in the Sens section
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 2 at 2:39 p.m.
Thread:
Fistful of World Junior Prospects
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Alright.
Good list there. Where do you run the polls?</div></div>
Can I say that here? lol
It's a Sens community with hundreds of members on a league-wide forum
To give you an idea, there's 4,357 visitors online at the moment (members: 2,010, guests: 2,347)
Why is there no private messages on CF?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 2 at 2:38 p.m.
Thread:
Younger cheaper
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Knuckl3s</b></div><div>LMFAO, Sens didn't "dump" Connor Brown, you guys got a 2nd for him. Sens were never going to get a 1st for him</div></div>
At last deadline they could have easily gotten a 1st +, as he has been quite more productive than players who did while being the 2nd most used NHL forward on the PK and a top matchup forward at ES. Basically, he's a 50 pts forward who mostly produces while defending. That's pretty valuable
But Dorion doesn't have any idea how to manage assets. For example, I was screaming hard to trade Chris Tierney in the summer of 2019, and even in 2020 but it never happened until his value completely plummeted.
Dorion wouldn't be able to make money flipping a house in my area, lol
So yes Brown for a 2nd was a dump. Same for Bjorkstrand and Pacioretty dumps
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 2 at 2:32 p.m.
Thread:
An Ottawa Senators team without Formenton and Batherson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lenny7</b></div><div>Yeah, I was legitimately surprised that Brown was moved...Like, I like Greig and everything, but aside from Ottawa not wanting to be a (closer to the) cap team, I don't know why you move a solid 3rd liner out, especially when you've gotta know that even with the additions, your forward depth is going to be in trouble if you have any injuries.</div></div>
Should have waited... Brown was not going to receive any check until October
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 2 at 2:30 p.m.
Thread:
August Trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>swinny</b></div><div>I would argue Holl is just that. Dig into some advanced stats. The guy is really underrated.</div></div>
Tom Preissing in 2005-06 : 38 points, + 40
I don't think we can find advanced stats for that season but I'm sure these would look fantastic for him for that particular season
Holl is a NHL player but he's not an upgrade and not what the Sens need.
If he was as good as you claim, not every Leafs fan would try to dump him and his 2.0 salary all over the place
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