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Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 10:41 p.m.
Thread: Playoff Team
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bagelbob</b></div><div>every fanbase overvalues their own prospects, so i don’t put too much stock in a fan poll. like i said before, formenton does nothing for me right now in the face of the hockey canada thing, but even without that i’d much prefer a top 10 pick like schneider got or a better prospect than formenton. forsberg had a good year last year but was on waivers the year before, can he be consistent? and a second round pick again is fine but i’d prefer a first. i’d be looking for upgrades to all three pieces and to me that means it’s far from enough.</div></div>

Yeah but it's a community that I have been hanging with since 2008 and I'd say many posters are quite knowledgeable. Some even have scouting experience. We have observed Formenton's evolution for years and he's already pretty valuable. Just the fact that he has McDavid speed make him automatically very valuable.

https://www.silversevensens.com/2022/1/26/22901993/alex-formenton-has-arrived-ottawa-senators-sens-nhl

If he's guilty in the scandal he has no value and he can go to hell from all I care. e just have no idea and can only speculate. If he's not guilty then he has pretty good value. The guy led the league in short handed goals and actually think he will end up top-10 in NHL history if he is not a grade A a-hole

Anyway, if I had Sorokin no way I'd be trading him

For Forsberg we never know with goalies that I don't have a long track record but I don't know, he didn't look like a flash in the pan to me. Note that I called a lot of goalies like that (I have been a goalie for 30+ years) in the past, including Andre Hammond when he was 20-1-2 and 0.941 SV% and Mike Condon when he relieved Craig Anderson.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 10:31 p.m.
Thread: August Trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>swinny</b></div><div>I think you have Chabot's Methot with Zub. You are looking for a 2nd pairing guy.

Carlo will cost the Sens dearly, so let's get that out if the way. Parayko could be an intersting fit.

But, I would go shopping in LA. Walker or Roy are there. Durzi takes one of those spits, while Edler fills out the bottom pairing with Björnföt sitting in the weeds.

If you are thinking in more physical terms, that is where I would be headed.</div></div>

How much could Carlo cost? I mean he's a defensive D-man, pretty much like Methot was. Sens traded Foligno to get Carlo. But if I am Boston I'm not trading Carlo now so he's probably just not available

Would Parayko be available? Because I feel that's the guy Chabot would need. He has a lot of term left but I would still take the risk

From LA, I would interested in Roy, not Walker.

But still so many options and it could just end up being Chabot-Zub + Sanderson + JBD. I know it's rookie pairing but these guys know each others well and are some pretty impressive defensive smarts. Then have a more offensive 3rd pairing with Brannstrom and Holden (until Thomson is ready)

But anyway, Hamonic will be a stop gap this season
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 7 at 8:13 p.m.
Thread: The playoff senators Sanderson for Calder
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MatthewsFan</b></div><div>Do I need to list the number of players picked in the top 5 that have been busts. By no means am I suggesting Sanderson will, but expecting him to be a star or not have any growing pains simply because he was a top 5 pick is silly</div></div>

That type of player is easily projectable. One of my easiest calls in the last decade.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jake Sanderson. <a href="https://t.co/3JYqz3huFO" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">pic.twitter.com/3JYqz3huFO</a></p>— Locked On Senators (@SensCentral) <a href="https://twitter.com/SensCentral/status/1556249021945094144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">August 7, 2022</a></blockquote>



This is a Dman btw</div></div>

His defensive game is much more impressive.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 2 at 7:47 p.m.
Thread: Playoff Team
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bagelbob</b></div><div>i don’t know about pure value since we haven’t seen a goalie trade for a player of his caliber in a long time but it would have to be a significantly better package than this to get the islanders to take it. at least one top prospect and a first rounder to start any conversation.</div></div>

One I can think of :

Jun. 30, 2013

New Jersey Devils Acquire: Cory Schneider

Vancouver Canucks Acquire: 2013 1st round pick (NJD - #9 - Bo Horvat)


Alex Formenton IS that top prospect you're talking about. It just happened that he played 1 NHL season at 22 y/o and led the league in short handed goals (5) and added 13 ES goals.

I made a poll asking Sens fans a few months ago :

Would you have traded Alex Formenton for a late 1st round pick at the past deadline? Which asset would you rather have?

Alex Formenton (22 y/o, RFA) Votes: 118 96.7%
1st round pick in 2022 (27th OA to 32nd OA) Votes: 4 3.3%

Total voters 122 Poll closed May 5, 2022.


Forsberg + 2nd is a pretty nice add on top of him. I totally understand if you don't see this because there's absolutely no reason to trade Sorokin unless it was for a ransom. I would seriously ask the same for Mads Sogaard and he has played 2 NHL games.

So I repeat again, while it may not be "enough", thinking it's far from enough is hyperbole, at best.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 2 at 6:47 p.m.
Thread: Playoff Team
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheHebrewHammer</b></div><div>Value, sure. The kind of value to get an arguably top 5 goalie in the league. Absolutely ****ing not!</div></div>

Hmm what is he worth? I have followed the NHL for a long time and goalies never had the same comparative value to players

Forsberg is only 2-3 years older so both goalies are still young, he was pretty good last year. Sure Sorokin is a much better bet to continue to be great but that's why Formenton and 2nd are added. I'm not saying that would do it but acting like it was not even close is hyperbole at best

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bagelbob</b></div><div>formenton has no value to me IMO until the hockey canada investigation is resolved, but even then he can't be the headlining piece in a package for a top 5 goalie in the league.</div></div>

He shouldn't be in trade proposals at all. No idea why people are putting him there
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 2 at 6:41 p.m.
Thread: August Trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>swinny</b></div><div>I say those are misinformed Leafs fans.

Here is the thing about Holl: he is a positional defenseman. He isn't going to hit bodies. Some of those Leafs fans move him because, frankly, the Leafs blueline needs a physical.presence beyond Muzzin. Moving Liligren or Sandin to accomplish this is lunacy; and moving Brodie right now would be counter productive (best partner Reilly has had since Ron Hainsey). All this leaves Holl.

So, it's not that we are all hot and horny to move Holl; he isn't what the Leafs blueline needs right now.

Throwing out Tom Preissing (who actually wasn't bad, just the Sens made the mistake of signing the guy after a career year in LA) is impressive, but Holl has a body of work that says:

1) he can play top 4 minutes
2) he can play them competently

Maybe he isn't waht the Sens need, but they need a RD that can play top 4..... so unless Chris Tanev is on the table (a guy I would target with 2 years left) , and you want to spent an additional $2.5 million because he can hit people, have at it.</div></div>

The point about Preissing is that it's easier to have good advanced stats on a great team... I should have found a more recent example but that's all I had at that moment, Holl is not really a player I want to debate for long

To contend, Sens need some experience but also a guy like Parayko/Carlo, someone who can play with Chabot. Holl is not that level
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 2 at 4:01 p.m.
Thread: Chychrun
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>justaBoss</b></div><div>This offseason cap dumps have been exceptionally expensive. If Nemeth who is almost twice cheaper than Zaitsev with very cheap buyout cost 2nd+3rd to dump, I think Zaitsev will cost a first.

I'd be surprised if Boucher ever plays a single NHL game. That was the biggest mis-pick at 10th overall slot in probably last 10 years or so.</div></div>

Nemeth being a decent comparison but there is no "almost twice cheaper", both have 2 seasons left. Nemeth owed 6 M$ while Zaitsev is owed 7 M$. It's not cap teams who are taking these dumps so real money matters

I have hated the Boucher pick since the beginning but I'm not going to bet against the Sens scouting department, they have proven us wrong countless times. Boucher has tools but the kid needs to start putting them together

He's not going to be traded now either way unless someone gives up substantial value for him, which would be stupid.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 2 at 2:38 p.m.
Thread: Younger cheaper
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Knuckl3s</b></div><div>LMFAO, Sens didn't "dump" Connor Brown, you guys got a 2nd for him. Sens were never going to get a 1st for him</div></div>

At last deadline they could have easily gotten a 1st +, as he has been quite more productive than players who did while being the 2nd most used NHL forward on the PK and a top matchup forward at ES. Basically, he's a 50 pts forward who mostly produces while defending. That's pretty valuable

But Dorion doesn't have any idea how to manage assets. For example, I was screaming hard to trade Chris Tierney in the summer of 2019, and even in 2020 but it never happened until his value completely plummeted.

Dorion wouldn't be able to make money flipping a house in my area, lol

So yes Brown for a 2nd was a dump. Same for Bjorkstrand and Pacioretty dumps
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