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Forum: Armchair-GM19 hours ago
Thread: Balls to the Wall Mantha gets Kucheroved
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TM11</b></div><div>Yes i understand you have to be cleared by doctors. but look at Kuch he just happened to be cleared to play directly after the regular season ended last year, despite the fact he was practicing for over a month with the team and was ready to go game 1. The caps can just do that with Mantha if they think hell get cleared in the final month of the season which is what im saying</div></div>

Because due to a lot of factors (like insurance, it's a very big business and star players are very big assets), a player doesn't have to come back before he is 100%. A hip surgery is one of the biggest mechanical surgeries you can have so it's most likely that Kucherov was not 100% when the playoffs started. It's just that he's extremely good so people wouldn't even notice the diffrence.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 10:46 a.m.
Thread: TDL MovesDraft
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PLDGEY</b></div><div>Im in the crowd that you rebuild until youve got a chance. Wasting time not taking assets for bad cap (thanks melnyk), and blowing draft picks on major reaches means that you dont get to rebuild quickly.

Hes hard to replace, but not impossible, and imho the difficulty in replacing him is offset by the returns he would net us.</div></div>

It's ok if you have this opinion but from my experience, moves like this is exactly why some teams seem to be in a perpetual rebuild or in spinning wheels mode, not able to take another step into contention. Having guys like Formenton, Brown, Pageau, Danault on your 3rd line is how you build a winner. Recycling players that just arrived at maturity for futures forces you to rebuild longer or stay mediocre/bad

So what happens to Chabot and Batherson in 4-5 years when they'll be near 30 y/o? Trade them for futures? Ok so how many Cups will the Sens win during the next 4 seasons? The answer is most likely ZERO

That's how you never end up winning.

Edit : and replace Brown is maybe possible but if you successfully do, great but you're still a bottom-5 team if all the other things stay equal. The thing is we need to improve this roster A LOT. Trading Connor Brown for a 1st round pick and a 2nd (for example) doesn't guarantee that at all, maybe in 4 years down the road? Ok but other players will "age" by then and will be Connor's age... So what do we do?

Do you start seeing what I see?
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 10:40 a.m.
Thread: Pushing for it next year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DirtyDangles</b></div><div>As I stated, Giroux won't be a Flyer so we won't have his rights. We also have to take Austin Watson too so unless we are going into full on rebuild mode (won't happen) I don't see us trading Provy for strictly futures and cap dumps.</div></div>

Austin Watson is not a cap dump, he's an all heart all effort 4th liner, doesn't hurt you while on the ice, will sacrifice for the team and score a goal there and there. At 1.5 for only 1 year left, not a cap dump. He's just a random piece thrown by the OP, no idea why he is part of the deal (probably to create a roster spot). He doesn't add much value, it doesn't change the deal much if at all if he's here or not.

Colin White is not a pure cap dump too. He is overpaid like I have already explained but for the sake of the discussion, let's say that White is a "partial cap dump", my question was don't you think it'd still be worth it to take a small cap dump (1.25 x 3 years) to be able to get these 4 assets? 3 firsts and a 2nd for Provorov? I'm not saying the Flyers SHOULD trade Provorov but in terms of value, do you expect him to have more value than Eichel?


All that being said, we do NOT want to make this deal, Sens don't need Provorov at all.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 9:29 a.m.
Thread: Ottawa steps up for a playoff spot
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>I wasn't intending to diminish Sokolov at all. I had him just outside my <a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2976967">top-100 prospects</a>. JBD was at #51.
I was just simplifying the trade to "JBD and a 1st"... But obviously that 1st will be too high if season ended today, which is why I said "or similar".

I think Devils end up keeping Severson anyway.</div></div>

Not that I thought that you were diminishing Sokolov but you didn't mention him and said that Murray was the "centerpiece of a deal for Severson"

And thanks for the link, always enjoy looking at these lists

So that return is not that bad according to your rankings... the 51st best prospect, another guy just outside your top-100 and a 2nd round round that is in fact an early 2nd round pick, which is not far from the value of a late 1st round pick... Sokolov MORE THAN MAKE UP FOR that difference...

That being said, not interested in making this deal anyway. I'll keep the young RD on his ELC and the 21 y/o AHL top-6 forward, plus the early pick where they'll get another Jarventie/Sogaard caliber prospect


Oh and where is Pinto? He's born after 2000 and will be eligible for the Calder next year. This is (approx) how Sens fans would rank our prospects at the moment :

1- Jake Sanderson (you have him 2nd)
2- Shane Pinto (Not ranked)
3- Ridly Greig (you have him 83rd, he should be much higher than JBD to be honest)
4- Jacob Bernard-Docker (you have him 51st)
5- Mads Søgaard (Not ranked)
6- Roby Järventie (you have him 91st)
7- Lassi Thomson (Not ranked)
8- Filip Gustavsson (Not eligible)
9- Egor Sokolov (you said you have him just outside the top-100)
10- Tyler Kleven (Not ranked, but I see you have him as an Honorable Mention)
11- Tyler Boucher (you have him at 70th but most Sens fans don't have him in our top-10 at the moment)
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12- Angus Crookshank (very underrated but still shouldn't be top-100, tier cut-off between Boucher and him)
13- Viktor Lodin
14- Leevi Merilainen
15- Zack Ostapchuk
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 12:55 p.m.
Thread: DR DRAI TEAM NOW for fun
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheBoyDuddus</b></div><div>I'd pass on the Sens trade.

You're asking a lot of Ottawa. Paul is likely worth a 3rd or maybe even a 2nd to the right team with money retained. Forsberg is a mid/late round pick. Sogaard is likely the goalie of the future and has done everything asked of him to prove he was worth the high 2nd that they used on him two years ago.

If Paul and the 2nd cancel out, Koskinen is a cap dump so the rest of the trade assumes that Barrie is more valuable than Sogaard and Forsberg. Genuinely I dont think Ottawa would do Sogaard for Barrie 1 for 1, let alone adding Forsberg and taking the Koskinen dump.</div></div>

Remove Mads Sogaard, he's not going anywhere. It would be very very stupid to trade him unless you are packaging for an elite piece

Then the deal makes more sense.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 12:16 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 12:08 p.m.
Thread: TDL MovesDraft
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PLDGEY</b></div><div>I think now is the time to move on from CBrown. He will never have a higher value, and this is likely his peak performance. Extending CBrown would be akin to TOR trying to extend Hyman. He isnt part of the core, and his next contract will be too much to fit into the team.

Next year will be CBrowns age 29 season. He is going to be turning 30, and wanting his last big contract. OTT wont be able to keep him and all of the integral pieces.

Trading CBrown now, is the right move for the long term success of the francise. Take that nearly 4M and use it to get a top4 RHD or a more age appropriate middle6 W</div></div>

ok but moves like this makes it more likely that the perpetual Dorion rebuild continues.

Connor Brown rarely get injured, barely misses any games, is a top notch skater and has a flawless work ethic. He has several good years left (ideally I would extend him 4 years which would bring him to 34 when his contract is over. He turned 28 a few days ago

He's a very very hard to replace 2-way winger., particularly at RW which is the weakest position in the whole organization
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 12:00 p.m.
Thread: Sens post-deadline wishlist
Colin White's career is not in danger in any way, shape or form... unless the current injury has diminished him physically.

If the Sens buy him out (Melnyk likes money), another NHL team will sign him for sure. Actually, there'd be a bit of a bidding war.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TCMonkey</b></div><div>Ennis gone. Sanford gone. Gambrell gone. And for the love of God, get a deal done with Nick Paul for 3 or 4 years at $2.5M or less OR trade him as well. Waiting until after the deadline to find out he wants more than the team will pay would be insanely dumb of the organization - but I wouldn't be shocked by it!!</div></div>

Dorion seems like a procrastinator (remember Stone and Tkachuk situations?). He seems to think he has ample time... until there's none left. But he goes out and rush to sign Zub when there was no rush... Go figure.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 11:44 a.m.
Thread: Pushing for it next year
Always been a Provorov fan but he has been struggling the last 2 years. He's also a LD which we don't need at all.

Greig is way too important for the future to sacrifice in a deal we don't need to make. Also, giving up that 2023 1st round pick is still very risky.

Sign Giroux as a UFA, if not explore another avenue.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>capsfan2121</b></div><div>What are your thoughts on jake Sanderson</div></div>

Future stud ala Jaccob Slavin.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tsyls</b></div><div>Only Ottawa draft miss recently was Boucher (still so soon so could be okay) . Other than that I feel like Ottawa has done very well recently in the 1st round. Not to mention the other picks they’ve made.</div></div>

The late Bryan Murray revamped the drafting department in 2007, so starting in 2008, Ottawa's drafting has been excellent in the vast majority of drafts (first pick was Erik Karlsson at 15th OA, Murray traded up from 18th OA to get it). Murray also hired Trent Mann in 2011-12 who is now the head of drafting.

That being said, the 2021 class looks bad for now, except for Johansson and Latimer. Hopefully it'll improve but I will always dislike the Boucher pick, unless he really booms into a Wilson type.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>Wheeler hated the picks the Sens took in 2020. Greig is ripping up the WHL rn. Jarventie has been putting up decent numbers as a 19 year old in the AHL. Sanderson is over a PPG in college as a 19 year old with less of an offensive team than they did last year. Better numbers than Makar at the same age. And Stutzle has been playing really well on both ends ever since he made the switch to centre</div></div>

Not to mention Merilainen (3rd round) was going to be Finland's starter at the WJC. Sokolov (late 2nd) has been doing really well in the AHL. And Daoust (5th round) is one of my favorite darkhorse prospects in the organization (had very intriguing advanced stats in the Q last season). Oh and forgot, Tyler Kleven is a beast in the making (ala Joel Edmundson but even nastier)
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 11:31 a.m.
Thread: Big move
Edmonton could find a better way to spend their 1st. They need to compete now.

Forsberg wouldn't "save them". Tierney is not as good as 2-3 years ago and Brannstrom is 5'10 and only 22 y/o, just breaking in.

Forsberg is worth maybe a 5th?
Tierney maybe a 5th too?

Melnyk wouldn't accept Turris to come back but for the sake of the discussion, let's say it's realistic. Turris + Koskinen dumps : Edmonton gives up a 2nd

Let's say Lavoie for the 3rd is fair

This leaves Brannstrom (plus Tierney and Forsberg) for a 1st and a 2nd. He's not worth that at the moment


A 1st, a 5th for Brannstrom, Forsberg and Tierney would be more fair but it wouldn't help Edmonton that much NOW

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Riceroni</b></div><div>I think Lavoie for Brannstrom is a wash.</div></div>

I live in Montreal so easy to follow the Q closely here. I'd be pretty upset if Dorion was trading Brannstrom for Lavoie.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 11:24 a.m.
Thread: Steady as She Goes
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TCMonkey</b></div><div>Would love to see all those RFA signings happen; love the term and money. Same goes for Nick Paul but I suspect that offer doesn't get it done, and Giroux gets more than $7M, especially if the term is less than 4 years. Would like to see Holden signed for another year but unless Zaitsev or Del Zotto gets moved I suppose it's sadly not likely.
Not sure I'd go after Smith of Kuemper, one because it's not realistic, and two because we obviously need significant money one season later for Stützle, Pinto, Zub (and JBD).
Are we really going to keep BOTH White and Ziatsev? Eeeesh, that's a lot of money for two underperforming players. With salary retained White should be moveable, buying him out this year saves Melnyk over $10 million, waiting another year means the savings drops to less than $3.7... that's some serious incentive to pull the trigger.</div></div>

Agree with all this but what's the point to move White if you retain on him? He then become... NOT overpaid... Colin White at 3.5 AAV is a pretty solid bottom-6 forward who can fill C/RW roles in pretty much your whole forward group. But like you said, they might just buy him out as Melnyk needs to meet his bottom line.