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Forum: Armchair-GM15 hours ago
Thread: Poll
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>phillyjabroni</b></div><div>Yeah he's not "worth" the 7.14M and is probably closer to the 5.5-6M range. But at the time, the Flyers' 2C was Nolan Patrick (lmaooo) and the needed secondary scoring and someone who could fill that role. I wasn't and I'm not losing sleep over paying Hayes an extra 3% of the salary cap to have him versus having that on some spare forward.

I'd rather have Hayes + Farabee than Schenn through 37yo. Flyers issues stem wayyyy deeper than overpaying for a 2C but I just hate how he gets clowned and Fletcher gets clowned for that deal. They woulda had a real shot to contend in 2019-20 if not for COVID and Hayes was a crucial part to that team. Sucks that it didn't pan out and now they are looking at tearing it all down.</div></div>

this is semantics but 19-20 it was boston, tampa or philly. and i liked bostons odds alot more than i liked philly's that year. they were an absolute wagon. Tampa was saved by the covid outburst. boston was ruined by it.

its not just schenn though. its schenn and a replacement winger. but idk i feel like hayes isnt going to age well while schenn will age fine. just a gut feeling. nothing that i can use to back that up.
Forum: Armchair-GM19 hours ago
Thread: Poll
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>phillyjabroni</b></div><div>I've never quite understood the reasoning behind Hayes' contract being "negative value". Like all UFAs, you have to pay a premium to get them. 7.14M is a little pricey, but looking at what he's been for the Flyers, I don't think it's a "bad" deal. His first season with Philadelphia was great - solid 0.60 PPG, 20-goal scorer, and could run the PK/PP. He was consistent and solid contributer.

The next year was the COVID year and the entire team fell off. All the momentum from the 2019-2020 year was gone. This past year he was dealing with multiple injuries and surgeries. When he returned, he had like 21 points in 27 games under Yeo.

I get he's getting more than what he would in a vacuum, but it's not the worst deal in the league.</div></div>

in terms of what he brings on the ice his value isnt what his contract is paying him. its in the 5.75-6 range. hes about 1.2m-1.5m overpaid per year. which as you said isnt the worst. but realistically he is.

that being said he hit the market at the right time and capitalized. cant blame him for getting the contract. in a vacuum hypothetical stance... would you rather schenn at 6.5m signed through age 37 with a replacement winger? or hayes at 7.1 signed through 34 and frost/farabee? personally i take the better center in schenn and try and get a legit winger elsewhere.
Forum: Armchair-GM19 hours ago
Thread: Poll
not voting in the poll hes a soft 2 way forward. i dont think his back checking ability is anything to write home about. hes not much of a power forward even though he and jimmy are both big individuals.

his contract is an overpay. last 3 years since being in philly he has 103 points in 172 games which equates to .6 points per game. thats a 49 point player.

to give you some perspective... craig smith has 99 in 197. 4 less points 25 more games. on pace for 8 less points a season... is more of an all around player although doesnt play center... and makes under half of what hayes does. the problem for philly fans is that they go hayes in an anomoly year. he has hit 50 points 1 time in his career and that was 18-19. hes had the pace for it. came close in 16-17. probably hits it in the last 3 years tbh but pace and actuals are completely different. 7.1m for a guys that straight up might not hit 50 points is SCARY contract wise. not only that you have him for 4 more years at that number.
Forum: Armchair-GM21 hours ago
Thread: Hockey Trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Yolande</b></div><div>Minnesota declines. Our gm isn't interested in trading dumba. Even if he were, abd he's not, this isn't a hockey trade. Dumba has way more value than this.
(DETROIT Declines, Seattle does too...)</div></div>

as a bruins fan i gotta agree here. dumba is returning a first if not more with the value. not only that there is a glaring hole on the top 4 rd. if they are going to remain competitive they cant use grz as the 3 LD and not get enough value out of dumba.

Seattle trade i wouldnt exactly write off. gourde is 30. carlo is 25. who fits the window better? on paper its a good hockey trade. idk about practicality and if seattle is really looking for another dman? but purely hypothetical i kind of think the value is fine.

Detroit deal def isnt happening, theyll get more for bert if/when they move him.
Forum: GM Game 2019-20Thu. at 8:56 a.m.
Thread: V5 General Chatter
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jmac490</b></div><div>Just as a comparison, Drew Doughty is being dumped this offseason with a 24 1st (likely late).

Not many folks seem to be willing to take on big contracts for longer than 5 years.

Hell I'm shopping Boeser (7.5m x 8) and the offers range in the 2nd++ range. GM Game evaluations on guys are crazy sometimes</div></div>

i mean doughty didnt have value in v4 cant imagine it being any different now.

values constantly are changing, team needs constantly changing as youre aware. im in no hurry to go and "dump" players. team sucks, dont have assets. i can sit on these guys and get value if necessary.

the boeser thing i think comes down to most players questioning the contract. its why burns will be tough to move, its why EK will be tough to move, its why boeser will be tough to move, (for full value) they arent really reaching their contract in terms of production.
Forum: GM Game 2019-20Wed. at 4:30 p.m.
Thread: V5 General Chatter
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jmac490</b></div><div>True. Has a pretty vast injury history though. Only played 50 games in each of the last 4 seasons.

SJ outside of their window too, so likely a decline in points/skill on the roster to also consider.

11.5m is a lot to pay for a #2-3 guy</div></div>

in terms of total games missed... hes missed about 89 total games in 4 years. but hes missed a combined 36 in the last 2. <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jmac490</b></div><div>True. Has a pretty vast injury history though. Only played 50 games in each of the last 4 seasons.

SJ outside of their window too, so likely a decline in points/skill on the roster to also consider.

11.5m is a lot to pay for a #2-3 guy</div></div>

in those 4 years he missed a combined 89 games. but last 2 hes only missed 36. not really that terrible. although 32 of that was this year. i dont know the extent of his ailments this year. still very very productive.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 2:02 p.m.
Thread: lool
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ON3M4N</b></div><div>The Bruins entire core of forwards during the cup run and the 2013 run were not 1st rounders (Krejci, Bergeron, Marchand, Lucic). Tampa has done a pretty good job of trading away first rounders but still able to draft and develop guys. Where the guys I listed were drafted doesn't really matter. JFK before he left was ok at the AHL level, but nothing great. Senyshyn they tried to turn into something he just isn't, which again goes back to them not being able to develop guys. Studnicka has time still, but he's not longer waiver exempt starting next year and he struggled to crack the roster this year. Unless they move on from someone odds are he's starting the year as a 13th forward.

To go 5-6 years and you only have two forwards with 100+ games is just unacceptable and its why we go out and overpay for guys like Nick Foligno.</div></div>

sure sure ide say thats more luck/better scouting than anything though. cirelli at pick 72 kucherov at 58 palat at 208 killorn at 77 point at 79. and they needed ALL of those guys to hit. if point doesnt hit, or cirelli doesnt hit, or kucherov doesnt hit that team isnt even close to what it is today. theres definitely alot of luck involved in tampas case. you dont just say heres our program youll be a stud if you can handle it. they continually landed diamonds in the rough.
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