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Forum: NHL SigningsAug. 4, 2022 at 11:12 p.m.
Thread: New Jersey Devils signed Jonas Siegenthaler (5 Years / $3,400,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bruins1054_gmb</b></div><div><strong>I've never said you don't have to draft well. All you did was list players that were drafted by their team</strong>. Plus, three of the five teams you listed also have only one cup "in the last 30 years." The Bruins have been to three cups in the past 11 years. If you want to diss them for not winning a second one, that's fine but they've been there and have been a model for other teams in the league to build. Look at the Bruins drafted talent: Bergeron, Marchand, Pastrnak, McAvoy, Swayman, Carlo, Grzelcyk, Krejci, DeBrusk. None of those picks were made with a rebuilding team.</div></div>

I'm not saying every organization does it correctly. We clearly have seen teams fail like Buffalo as you mentioned, but the reasoning behind those failures isn't because rebuilding doesn't work. It is because the front office and scouting department's failed, whether it's not properly developing their prospects, not bringing in the right complementary pieces, making bad trades, or not drafting the right talent.

It's ignorant to say "rebuilding isn't a winning formula" because history clearly shows that statement is simply untrue. It's obviously not a fool proof plan, but it works. Also, I'm not saying it's the only way to form a strong team, such as you've seen with the Bruins. I mean, 5 of the 9 players you listed were drafted outside of the 1st round. That's credited to good scouting, smart development, and honestly a little bit of luck. The key difference is that you were't low in the standings when those players were drafted. That right there is 2 pieces of how to do a successful rebuild. You might not have been tanking, but in reality how the Bruins built their core isn't that far off from what rebuilding is.

With rebuilding, it's not about the formula. It's about those who are trying to solve it. Some win, some fail. Just because some people in the world can't solve a math problem, doesn't mean the formula's wrong. Between the teams I list above, at one point or another, were the bottom feeders of the NHL. They all sucked, drafted, developed, and now they are all champions who's cores were built through the draft.
Forum: NHL SigningsJul. 31, 2022 at 10:16 p.m.
Thread: New Jersey Devils signed Jonas Siegenthaler (5 Years / $3,400,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bruins1054_gmb</b></div><div>The Bruins don't rebuild because it's not a winning formula. <strong>Ask Buffalo how permarebuild is going for them</strong>. As for Jersey, I've been hearing they're on the rise for at least 5 years now. Nothing good has come of it.</div></div>

Yes choose the one failed experiment to try and prove a point while completely ignoring the ones that were successful. The point of a rebuild is scout, draft, and develop your core to move forward with. Then you fill in the holes with free agent signings, or trades using the expendable assets you've acquired over the course of your rebuild. The last 5 different Cup winner's cores were largely built through the draft, so idk how tf you can confidently say it's not a winning formula.

Colorado: MacKinnon, Rantanen, Landeskog, Makar, Newhook, Byram

Tampa: Stamkos, Kucherov, Point, Killorn, Hedman, Palat, Vasilevsky, Colton, Foote, CIrelli

St Louis: Tarasenko, Perron (returned), Pietrangelo, Schwartz, Dunn, Thomas, Parayko, Steen, Barbashev, Binnington.

Washington: Ovechkin, Kuznetsov, Backstrom, Carlson, Wilson, Orlov, Vrana, Burakovsky, Holtby, Grubauer

Pittsburgh: Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Guentzel, Fleury, Murray, J Staal and Orpik (2009).

But hey, I guess you would know about Boston more than I do. Have fun continuing to do this little purgatory thing you got going where you don't fail but yet are never seen as a true contender. Your one single championship in the last 30 years really appreciates it. Can't wait to see what you think when your core of Marchand, Bergeron, Krejci, and Pastrnak are all gone in the next couple of years and you try to build a team through your non-existant prospect pool.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 31, 2022 at 1:26 p.m.
Thread: Building a Long term Contender
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Meeqs</b></div><div>There aren't many wingers with size out there. Plus who cares what fans think, thats irrelevant. All that matters is the thought process behind the move. Could do a player like Poolparty or Crouse if you think he's more than a 4th liner but especially given the low cost of acquisition and the long term commitment to an aging Palat I don't see how you could be THAT upset by it</div></div>

The key difference though is that Palat at least is a top 6 winger and earned the contact he got from NJ. Is the term a little long? Sure. But Anderson is an overpaid bottom 6 who is on a horrific contract that everyone and their mother knew was bad the second he signed it. Good for him to getting the bag, but any logical front office wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole.