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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 11 at 3:48 p.m.
Thread: Patty Kane
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 6 at 8:59 a.m.
Thread: Flyera
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 5 at 11:38 a.m.
Thread: Flyera
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sk540</b></div><div>You also have to realize that he has a QO of 9mm, and will be a UFA a year after that. Basically a team is not only giving up a haul, but is taking a huge risk without an extension. I am not saying that is going to extremely lessen his value, but it does have to be taken into account. I would assume a top 5 pick, a future #1 and an A prospect is a good start, it would just depend on what other piece or two. I would say this would be a mid-level pick and a B-ish prospect. I would doubt it would take another 1st or a young prospect who is a bonafide NHLer.</div></div>

According to rumors out there, the starting asking price for the Cat is: a 2022 first, two additional firsts, a high-level prospect ready to make it into the NHL this year. And yes, that is a very high ask for him (I also want to state for the record I don't necessarily agree with this ask, as if it were up to me, they wouldn't even be listening to offers him), but it's high for a reason.

The Hawks aren't shopping Debrincat, they're listening to offers.

For any team to trade for Debrincat, they're going to have to exceed the perceived value the hawks have of him by a certain amount. That perceived value is quite high right now because:
1:He's only 24
2: he's already a 2X 40-goal scorer.
3: he apparently likes being a Blackhawk and wants to stay in Chicago
4: he's (from reports) a great teammate and likely a future Captain if he stays.
5: apart from Kane, he's really the only fan-favorite left that brings people to games, and represents a significant income for a team looking to go through a painful rebuild.
6: Since coming into the league, he's improved his game every year. He isn't just a sniper, he's a 200ft player who even kills penalties.

The Blackhawks likely know that Debrincat is worth probably around 2 firsts +, or a combination equaling about that. But if a team is only going to offer the Hawks what Debrincat is worth, they would likely prefer to keep him. One bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, so they say. But if someone is willing to overpay on him, that is likely something the Hawks would listen to, and exactly what they did with the Hagel trade at the TDL (Hagel, for the record, is not worth 2 firsts, and 2 nhlers).
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 1 at 3:46 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 1 at 12:41 p.m.
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Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 27 at 9:37 a.m.
Thread: 22-23 test
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quote:</div>Chicago is going into full rebuild mode article (will need a couple of goalies and some bad contracts to get to the cap floor)
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As you mentioned, the Hawks are entering a rebuild. Why would the Blackhawks trade their best minor league prospect to gain two 2nd round draft picks? Especially considering the Hawks have developed a drafting profile that emphasizes tenacity, forechecking, doggedness, and speed, a player mold that Reichel fits. They also currently have plenty of salaries, they don't need to give up prospects to make the floor. Even if the Hawks sold off all their major cap hits (which is a big if), they can weaponize that cap space by taking advantage of teams who are above the cap and taking on a bad contract to get picks (Trading for Marazk + for future considerations is a popular one).

The article you presented to support your trade was focused on members of the Blackhawks. The other thing to note is that while yes, basically everyone in the organization is available, your gonna have to blow away the Blackhawks to get some of them (Like Dach, Debrincat, Reichel, etc.). IE, any young player on the team who can be a piece the team can build around for the future could be available, but you will need to exceed the perceived the Blackhawks place on that player in order to get them to give them up. The conversation with Dach and Reichel likely starts at a 1st + additional picks and prospects, Debrincat likely starts with 2 firsts + additional picks and prospects. You might think that's overpriced, but again, the Hawks have no need to move these players, the only way someone is getting them is to overpay on them. If they stay, they would be excellent pieces to build around for the future. There is definitely no way 2 seconds and a bunch of salary dump throw-ins is going to do it.
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