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Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 16, 2023 at 6:37 a.m.
Thread: All the way to the cup
That's gonna be a pass from the Hawks. A Kane at 50% this year, the Hawks are likely going to ask for a 2023 first, and at least a high prospect. I wouldn't be surprised if the Hawks ask for a higher price than that, I would probably put him at a first and a prospect, maybe another low-level pick for salary retention, maybe. Laffy is going to be a second or a combination of 3rd and 4ths. Thing that really kills this deal is the Hawks are rebuilding and looking to rebuild by building their prospect pool. They are not retooling right now, so players like Kerfoot or Engvall are not going to help the hawks at all. So the Hawks would likely view that as a salary dump. It's likely they're included to make the deal work, but any cap relief you're trying to get with a trade your gonna have to pay for (not just with the hawks, but with any team. The rest of the league is not going to help Toronto out with their cap management out of the goodness of their hearts.)
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 11, 2022 at 3:48 p.m.
Thread: Patty Kane
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jco5ta5</b></div><div>1) Kapanen fits the idea that Hawks have SOME form of experience on the team and he'll likely be moved up to 2nd line role and may produce a little bit.
2) Poulin is still young and could grow into a nice middle 6 forward. He did a respectable job in the AHL.
3) Penguins haven't missed the playoffs in a long time so <strong>these picks are def not lottery picks</strong> but they could easily be in the mid to late teens. I can envision if Malkin isn't back and Letang maybe is injured or regresses somehow that the 2024 might be a middle of the round pick.

Idk...I think if Hawks are hellbent on trading Kane, this works.</div></div>

Doubt Kane will waive for a team that isn't a contender, so any draft pick coming back from a Kane swap is going to be a late first. This honestly isn't that bad of a return for Kane considering he would really be in the driver's seat, and he could VVVVEEEERRRRYYYYY easily screw the hawks, who have been doing nothing other than trading away teammates he likes playing with.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 6, 2022 at 8:59 a.m.
Thread: Flyera
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sk540</b></div><div>I agree with everything you said, which is why i think that the ask is ridiculous. Of course, why wouldn't they keep him? 24 y/o's with two 40+ goal seasons is certainly impressive. He did have one of the most dynamic passers to ever play, on his line for most of those years as well. For me, he's not worth it. <strong>For the Hawks, in a rebuild though, is he worth the salary? Can they even afford it?</strong> I'm sure someone will give up a haul for him and good for the Hawks if they wait a team out. I for one, hope it is not Philly.</div></div>

They can. As of right now, the hawks have about 16m in space, and that's before Kane and Toews' matching 10 million comes off the books next off-season. If Kane is still here, I could see the team trying to resign him. I'm not so sure they would pay to resign Toews.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 5, 2022 at 11:38 a.m.
Thread: Flyera
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sk540</b></div><div>You also have to realize that he has a QO of 9mm, and will be a UFA a year after that. Basically a team is not only giving up a haul, but is taking a huge risk without an extension. I am not saying that is going to extremely lessen his value, but it does have to be taken into account. I would assume a top 5 pick, a future #1 and an A prospect is a good start, it would just depend on what other piece or two. I would say this would be a mid-level pick and a B-ish prospect. I would doubt it would take another 1st or a young prospect who is a bonafide NHLer.</div></div>

According to rumors out there, the starting asking price for the Cat is: a 2022 first, two additional firsts, a high-level prospect ready to make it into the NHL this year. And yes, that is a very high ask for him (I also want to state for the record I don't necessarily agree with this ask, as if it were up to me, they wouldn't even be listening to offers him), but it's high for a reason.

The Hawks aren't shopping Debrincat, they're listening to offers.

For any team to trade for Debrincat, they're going to have to exceed the perceived value the hawks have of him by a certain amount. That perceived value is quite high right now because:
1:He's only 24
2: he's already a 2X 40-goal scorer.
3: he apparently likes being a Blackhawk and wants to stay in Chicago
4: he's (from reports) a great teammate and likely a future Captain if he stays.
5: apart from Kane, he's really the only fan-favorite left that brings people to games, and represents a significant income for a team looking to go through a painful rebuild.
6: Since coming into the league, he's improved his game every year. He isn't just a sniper, he's a 200ft player who even kills penalties.

The Blackhawks likely know that Debrincat is worth probably around 2 firsts +, or a combination equaling about that. But if a team is only going to offer the Hawks what Debrincat is worth, they would likely prefer to keep him. One bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, so they say. But if someone is willing to overpay on him, that is likely something the Hawks would listen to, and exactly what they did with the Hagel trade at the TDL (Hagel, for the record, is not worth 2 firsts, and 2 nhlers).
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 1, 2022 at 3:46 p.m.
Thread: Doing the isles as a rangers fan
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles5513</b></div><div>I don’t know that it was a bad deal by Tampa tho lol. If you have Vasilevsky then those picks should be in the mid twenties anyway.</div></div>

Probably not a bad deal (definitely wouldn't be viewed that way if Tampa won the cup), but I would personally say Hagel shouldn't really be worth any more than a 1st +.

He's played only 3 years in the NHL (one of those years was only 1 game), and only 108 games. In those games, he's accounted for 30 goals, and 31 points. You could point out that he's young, but he's only a year younger than Debrincat. He was having a career year in goals when he was moved at 21.

I liked Hagel, but I don't think he's worth what the Hawks got for him. Even if they are late firsts.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 1, 2022 at 12:41 p.m.
Thread: Blueshirts 22-23
Reaves does nothing for Chicago, and him playing there isn't going to help his trade value going forward. So essentially this is a Dach for Georgiev swap. Chicago has young goalies that are developing in the AHL and college. Georgiev might make sense for the Hawks if they were getting ready to exit their rebuild and just needed a goalie who was ready to take the reins and be a #1, but they're not at the point yet. They're a good 3-4 years away, and their prospects are likely going to be ready by then. In the meantime in goal, they'll likely take a salary dump goalie, or sign a cheap FA that teams can light up on a nightly basis. That's not to say if available the Hawks wouldn't take Georgiev, but they're not going to give up one of their better center prospects to do it. Not without something else coming with him.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 1, 2022 at 12:34 p.m.
Thread: Doing the isles as a rangers fan
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rangers13232</b></div><div>I am a rangers fan therefore I'm not tryna look for a great deal for the islanders. <strong>This is as neutral as possible.</strong> Chicago never getting more than this</div></div>

I think this is the problem a lot of people have with Debrincat trades, thinking that the hawks will let him go for a neutral, fair hockey trade. They won't. And it's fair to say the Hawks won't get any more than this. It's not like they want to move Cat, and if he stays he's an excellent player to build around and likely the next captain in a year. It's a similar position to Hagle at the TDL, they had no need to move him, Tampa just way overpaid with 2 firsts and 2 NHLers for a mid-line player who has never touched 40 points.

For any team to get Debrincat, they're going to have to not only meet his value to the hawks but exceed it. Again, they're not trying to move him, they're simply listening to offers. A team is gonna have to put up an offer the Hawks simply can't refuse. Freedman has already reported that the hawks have nixed a huge package that featured 2 firsts, one of which was reportedly very high. Another reports that the starting ask for the Hawks is 3 firsts, + an High level NHL prospect who is already in the NHL or ready to make the jump.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 1, 2022 at 11:39 a.m.
Thread: What a dumpster fire
According to <a href="https://twitter.com/CMBollin/status/1542567360430850048?s=20&amp;t=izRSRRw9ovKi8RGoCv7eUA" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Freedman</a> the hawks have turned down better offers than this. Another rumor I've heard stated that the current starting ask is 3 firsts and an NHL-ready prospect.

It's a high price, but understandable considering:
1:The Hawks do not need to move Debrincat
2: Debrincat doesn't want to leave
3: Debrincat is a very young, 2x 40 goal scorer. Since coming into the league he continues to improve areas of his game. To the point he is now killing penalties, stripping pucks and creating his own chances.
4: Though he's a high salary, he's also an RFA, so the team getting him can control his rights for a few more years.
5: If the Hawks don't move him, they're still in a good position, as Debrincat is the type of player you could build a team around.

To get the cat, your gonna have to beat the value he has for the Hawks, which is very high. I honestly don't think the Flyers should really think about it, as it will cost far too many futures that they would need to build a team.