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Armchair-GM
Nov. 4, 2023 at 6:11 p.m.
Thread:
Just some ideas
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazWild</b></div><div>Probably about on par with Kahkonen in terms of his considered value at the time we traded him for Middleton.
So roughly a late'ish 2nd to a 3rd round pick in value.
Merrill is anyone's guess. Spin the wheel. 5th? 6th? 7th? GOAT Future Considerations.</div></div>
I think that makes sense. IMO, anything better than giving up an asset to move Merrill would be a win.
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Armchair-GM
Nov. 4, 2023 at 2:57 p.m.
Thread:
Just some ideas
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazWild</b></div><div>I'm not paying a 1st for a 6th/7th Dman, that's absolutely too rich.
Savard was at the time of his last two trades at minimum was a serviceable 2nd pairing option. So a 1st for him is/was entirely justifiable. Chiarot was almost a beneficiary of a small Dman market at the time of his trade so his price was inflated a bit because of that. He's also been playing 2nd pairing minutes since going to Detroit, so one could also argue they paid 2nd pairing Dman prices.
Zadorov, meanwhile, has been a consistent 3rd pairing Dman for several years in Calgary. As well as a current healthy scratch. He's absolutely a improvement for Minnesota's bottom pair, but let's not jump the gun, shall we?
Asking for a 1st for him is a significant stretch in my opinion. I could maybe stomach a 2nd, more or less due to the retention involved. But that's kinda where I would draw the line.
Taking Merrill in this trade is the price paid for keeping both teams cap compliant as well as roster compliant too. Minnesota already has 8 D, given that 2 of them are currently on LTIR, a Dman <strong><em>needs</em></strong> to go out in order to fit Zadorov on the roster anyway.
That part is non-negotiable.
I'm not moving Peart, but O'Rourke is certainly an option if another piece is necessary. Besides, given how good Firstov looks in the KHL right now, the Flames would highly be likely to come out ahead on this trade. A potential top-six talent for a 3rd pairing defenseman is almost criminal. Even if Firstov tops out as only a middle-six guy, that's still a win for Calgary.</div></div>
I think you’re right more or less. The big thing with the Z trade is how much *is* Firstov worth? I assume he’s not coming back to NA unless he’s got an NHL spot so there’s some weird trade leverage.
I do think they are gonna move some prospects this year and it’ll be interesting to see who they move and whether it’s for an impact player or flexibility.
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Armchair-GM
Nov. 4, 2023 at 1:04 p.m.
Thread:
Just some ideas
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GreatWhiteNorth</b></div><div>While the idea might have merit, the proposal just isn’t enough for Zadorov. Any deal for him starts with a 1st round pick (you can argue Firstov’s value in any talks but I don’t see it as the same value of a 1st). His trade comparables would be Ben Chairot and David Savard and both of them got a 1st in return. Add in the fact that multiple teams will try to acquire him at the deadline and the bidding war has to start at a 1st.
Assuming Calgary is then looking to rebuild or retool, and Merrill doesn’t really have any value to them as they already have multiple defence that are trying to get into the lineup and they can sign a veteran for the bottom pair if they felt they needed to.
Because of all that, this just doesn’t make sense for Calgary.</div></div>
Interesting. I’m not sure how to value Z and I’d probably start with a 1st as the ask too, Firstov looks like you could plug him in a mid 6 role with PP time right now. He’s also a weird valuation.
But I’d be fine with adding another piece or 2 from the Wild POV. I’ll be interested to see if the Flames move Z or Hanafin first and how each return shapes the other.
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Armchair-GM
Sep. 30, 2023 at 11:53 p.m.
Thread:
Pinto would help solve alot
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>gpmack95</b></div><div>For the record I made several teams with PIT trading for Joseph at the draft for a draft pick and Sens fans said no.</div></div>
I’m not sure why there’s push back on this. The Sens are trying to move Joseph to give that money to Pinto and Pinto won’t sign til that happens. Seems pretty simple.
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Armchair-GM
Sep. 30, 2023 at 11:51 p.m.
Thread:
Pinto would help solve alot
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Playing in Europe doesn't help Pinto financially and certainly not next summer when he negotiates an NHL contract. Joseph 2.9m X 3 years almost untradable. it's the term. Don't know why Sens should be "terrified". L</div></div>
Because they need Pinto to be a real playoff threat. Even with him, I have them on the outside looking in.
But reports were the Flyers asked for Boucher to dump Joseph, which is why I brought it up. And Pinto knows there’s an extra 3 mil to work with when they move Joseph. If I’m Pinto, I’m pulling a Nylander.
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Armchair-GM
Sep. 30, 2023 at 11:44 p.m.
Thread:
Pinto would help solve alot
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TMLBRIAN</b></div><div>Fair enough. This could be a very good trade for both teams then. If Minnesota were willing to retain 100-250k on Hartman as well, it could really help Ottawa become cap compliant, while keeping the guys they want to keep.</div></div>
Oh yeah. Problem is it sounds like Hartman is gonna extend.
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Armchair-GM
Sep. 30, 2023 at 11:42 p.m.
Thread:
Pinto would help solve alot
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>What leverage does Pinto have? If the Sens can only afford (offer) 1.75m, what Pinto's options? Not play in the NHL this year? I really don't understand "if he could get 2.5m". Well he can't from a practical view.</div></div>
He can do precisely that. Not play in the NHL this year. He could make close to a mil in Switzerland or the K.
I think he’ll eventually sign a 1.5 mil deal but there is no such thing as no leverage. There is always another option, and OTT should be terrified by that. I really don’t know why they haven’t sent Joseph and Boucher to Philly to get Pinto done.
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Armchair-GM
Sep. 30, 2023 at 11:35 p.m.
Thread:
Pinto would help solve alot
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TMLBRIAN</b></div><div>I assume Ottawa has to make this trade. Not sure it's the best move for Minnesota though.</div></div>
I’m not sure MN could pass on it if it was offered. If Pinto can be a 2C, this would create an incredibly strong (and young) center corps. High end wings can be found relatively easily and they could use their assets for an Addison upgrade next year.
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Armchair-GM
Sep. 30, 2023 at 11:30 p.m.
Thread:
Pinto would help solve alot
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Might be a fair trade but it really doesn't help the Sens if Pinto can be signed for 1.75m for this season (Hartman salary), Pinto has no leverage in negotiations.</div></div>
If he could get 2.5 mil, why would he settle for 1.75? I get he can’t be offer sheeted but agents and GMs talk all the time. And OTT probably needs Pinto more than Pinto needs OTT.
Only niggle here is the Hartman extension.
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Armchair-GM
Sep. 12, 2023 at 12:54 p.m.
Thread:
Can we talk about that Freddy deal yet
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wabit</b></div><div>MN doesn't have any more offensive minded wings outside the top-6. Freddy G is ideally a 4C, Dean knows that, there is just no better option anywhere in the org to bump Freddy out of the top-9. It really just comes down to Rossi has to be better than Hartman and Freddy G to take their spot.
Last year Rossi was completely lost on the ice in the NHL, with everything about his game was too slow for the NHL. Shaw (rightfully) took the roster spot away from him.
Rossi has the skillset of a playmaking wing at the NHL level. He doesn't have the size or speed (you need at least one) to be a NHL center.</div></div>
I think we’re just gonna have to disagree on our assessments of Rossi. I also think the conversation about him would be night and day if Dean gave him as much of a leash as he gives Freddy.
I’m expecting Rossi to put the “not ready” arguments to bed this year. And if he doesn’t, I’ll be in your camp.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Sep. 12, 2023 at 12:24 p.m.
Thread:
Can we talk about that Freddy deal yet
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dannibalcorpse</b></div><div>I mean, what more are you expecting out of a guy making $2M? I agree that you'd rather have a better player there (and the hope is that Marco Rossi becomes that player), but at the same time having those inexpensive middle-6 guys who can actually hang with your top forwards is a huge asset.
Look at the centers who signed for similar AAVs this summer - Lars Eller (2x$2M), Nick Bjugstad (2x$2.1M), Noel Acciari (3x$2M), Tyson Jost (1x$2M), and David Kampf (4x$2.4M). I get that the term is less than ideal, but I think that the Wild got a pretty decent bang for their buck by adding on the extra couple years.</div></div>
Wild have no cap space this year. Signing a guy at $1.5 mil creates the space they need to maneuver that they don’t have with Freddy at $2.1 mil. And the problem with the extra years is that I don’t want a guy when he’s 33-35. I have a hard time seeing an ending to this deal that doesn’t end in waivers/cap dump/buyout.
Don’t give role players money OR TERM. And Freddy is a role player.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Sep. 12, 2023 at 12:07 p.m.
Thread:
Can we talk about that Freddy deal yet
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dannibalcorpse</b></div><div>The term isn't *ideal* but $2.1M for a middle 6 guy who is good for 15-20 goals and 40 points every year feels like a fine value. He's capable of playing the wing, too, so if Rossi forces the issue you just move him off the dot.</div></div>
He scored 44 pts between Boldy and Fiala, less than 40 with just Boldy. Saying Freddy is good for 15-20 goals and 40 pts is only valid when he’s playing with all stars, which he shouldn’t.
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Armchair-GM
Sep. 12, 2023 at 12:05 p.m.
Thread:
Can we talk about that Freddy deal yet
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wabit</b></div><div>Freddy G doesn't block Rossi from anything. Rossi is top-6 or bust, Freddy G doesn't belong anywhere near the top-6. If there is one contract that blocks Rossi it's MarJo playing wing with Boldy/JEE. That is the spot Rossi fits on the roster.
I don't like the Freddy G contract because it's 2 years too long.</div></div>
I’d kind of prefer Rossi playing 3rd line this year if you gave him an offensive minded W.
I see your point and agree Rossi is a top 6 guy, but try telling Dean Freddy isn’t a top 9 C or to take Hartman off of the 1st line (which is the only solution I see here). I also don’t want Rossi on the W.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Sep. 12, 2023 at 11:58 a.m.
Thread:
Can we talk about that Freddy deal yet
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>drmantalban</b></div><div>It's like another version of the Merrill contract - it's obviously not crippling or anything, but it's really unnecessary and just....why?
I'm with you on it.</div></div>
A bit. I don’t hate either contract in isolation but the term on both is just bleh. Merrill is fully buriable tho and I think they viewed him as a 7, I can justify that more than blocking a Rossi for *perceived* solid play.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Sep. 12, 2023 at 11:52 a.m.
Thread:
Can we talk about that Freddy deal yet
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>No. We cannot discuss it</div></div>
I’ll save it for a rainy day then.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 26, 2023 at 1:51 p.m.
Thread:
More Picks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JoeROFLCOPTER</b></div><div>Maybe a 2nd and some late pick; but not much more. Durzi was better, but offset by age and whatnot. Don't think the deals will be far off.</div></div>
Right. I also think a 24 2nd is more valuable to LAK since they can move it at the TDL. But yeah, I’m expecting right around this return for Addison, even if I don’t wanna move him.
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 26, 2023 at 1:31 p.m.
Thread:
More Picks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Snowhawk18</b></div><div>I love how you comment on what needs to happen for this Gustavsson proposal to make sense for Minnesota and yet don’t even remotely consider if the deal makes sense for Chicago… spoiler alert, IT DOESN’T!</div></div>
Thing is, it’s way too much for a goalie anyway. A 2nd would be higher than the average G with RFA status and some NHL success. I think Gus brings back a 3rd and maybe some other piece if it really comes to that.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 26, 2023 at 1:30 p.m.
Thread:
More Picks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JoeROFLCOPTER</b></div><div>Way too much for Addison lmao. Don't think you get more than a 2nd, especially considering that Durzi went for a '24 2nd.</div></div>
I think Addison brings back a pick in the 40-50 range this year and maybe a mid round pick. I do think there is a fit w/ DET for one of those 2nds.
Regarding Durzi, I see your logic and I would add that Durzi was a bit of a cap dump and is 3 years older than Addison. I think Durzi is the floor, not the ceiling for an Addison deal. Young, offensive minded D men go for about a 2nd and some change.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 15, 2023 at 4:26 p.m.
Thread:
Pick Swapping with MTL and SEA
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Koskinen_The_Great</b></div><div>Theathletic mock draft had an interesting idea to trade the 5th and 31st pick for the Wings 9thOA and 17thOA picks. Not sure what Hughes will do but he is unorthodox after last years draft chaos and Yzerman loves his enigmatic Russians after drafting Kucherov and trading for Sergachev. He goes Michkov at 5.</div></div>
I think that’s the easiest solution for the Habs. Just take the best guy available and take his ELC in 3 years. Don’t need to overthink it.
As for the trade, Habs lose that instance pretty badly. If they’re going from 5 to 9, they surely shouldn’t be sending 31 back. I do wonder if they send 31 or 37 to SJS for pick #4, I think SJS is probably a team that would gladly take Michkov and they need more picks.
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 12, 2023 at 4:53 p.m.
Thread:
Selling Patience
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazWild</b></div><div>Lol, bullsh*t.</div></div>
We love playing the right way. Until it means we have win the right way. Then when we win the right way, there will be hurt feelings because we didn’t play a 25 y/o 4th liner play with Kaprizov.
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 12, 2023 at 4:51 p.m.
Thread:
Selling Patience
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MNBassman</b></div><div>I think if Rossi can be moved to wing (like here) it makes everything else better and easier.
Ceulemans and Strbak a bigger dmen.</div></div>
I was talking about in the real world but I’d move Rossi in yours.
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 12, 2023 at 4:35 p.m.
Thread:
Selling Patience
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MNBassman</b></div><div>Edstrom would be perfect for the Wild at 21!
Carlsson, Ek, and Edstrom down the middle…moving Rossi and Khusnutdinov to the Wing with Boldy, Ohgren and Yurov, et al…I’m pretty sure we would forget all about Kaprizov, Zuccarello, and 1st round exists very easily and very soon!</div></div>
Even if you replace Carlsson with Rossi, I like how it looks. We need to address the D corps though. My guess is we take some bigger guys in RD 2.
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 12, 2023 at 4:13 p.m.
Thread:
Selling Patience
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MNBassman</b></div><div>If he was 22/23 and/or the Wild were legit Cup contenders I wouldn’t consider it, but he’s (already) going to be 26 next year and only has 3 more (for sure) years of being on the Wild…
I actually think this makes a ton of long-term sense…IF and only IF Carlsson (or Smith) ends up as a star!</div></div>
Carlsson looks like the player we’ve wanted for sooooo long. But while I agree that Kap being 26 is a bit of a concern, I do think we’re really close. Next summer we should be in a position to do what Seattle did with Bjorkstrand and I’m a big believer in the prospect pool.
With our strength on the W, if Rossi can come in and be a real 2C, we’ll have a very strong lineup up front with a good mix of young and vet talent. It will look nothing like what we’ve seen the past 2 years. I’ve got my fingers crossed for Simashev or Edstrom at 21 and really looking forward to doing some damage with KK in 24-25.
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 12, 2023 at 4:08 p.m.
Thread:
Do wild do this
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pensfan21</b></div><div>Would 2024 1st, 2nd, + Pickering do it or do you think it's gotta be the 2023 1st? Either way though I would do it if I were the Pens</div></div>
I think the pick would likely need to be this year’s. They need the certainty of who they can pick IMO. But if it’s Pickering and a 1st, it’ll be very difficult to pass up.
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 12, 2023 at 3:50 p.m.
Thread:
Selling Patience
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jnowariak</b></div><div>I’m guessing this is #28.</div></div>
Trading Kap is ridiculous but this is fun.
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