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justaBoss

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Formerly known as Burgerboss
Forum: NHL TradesMon at 10:33 pm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LindyRuffRider</b></div><div>&gt; What do you mean by throwing out context

One is a RFA / One is a rental

One has a NMC / One doesn't

&gt; Giving a player a chance to say that he accepts a trade only to one team is not.

Uhhhhh that's point of a NMC lmao. Do you not remember Kessel declining those trades? Or Shattenkirk declining trades when he was with St.Louis? Or Staal declining trades when he was with Minnesota. There's like dozens of examples of players nixing trades because they only wanted to go to certain teams.

&gt; Lamoriello, Sakic or Yzerman

Hate to break it to you, but Yzerman gave NMC to players like Tyler Johnson who now they can't get rid of. Lou gives them out like candy. Islanders are in cap hell and had to move out talented guys like Toews instead of other players because of all their NTCs.

&gt; The market dictated that a lot worse players got much better returns. Bennett and Foligno being the king examples of that. Hall has been terrible, yes, but still better than these guys. And this is why I think the current market should've given a better return for the guy.

Dude you just don't seem to understand bargaining power.</div></div>

Bennett being a RFA doesn't mean jack because based on his performance this year FLA is not going to pay that QO of his. He's worth like a league-minimum contract, tops, unless he shows something else with the Cats. This is very much looking like an Athanasiou case vol. 2

Point of NMC is to give player some control between choices - not completely force a GMs hand. Apparently there were other teams after the guy like Canes and Isles, but Hall himself decided that he wants to only play for Boston for some reason.

The case with Johnson and Hall are not comparable to each other. In the case of Hall, he completely dictates where he wants to go after some demand. In case of Johnson, he doesn't want to leave Tampa at all. and to be fair teams can't really afford taking that contract in either. I mean who would want to leave Tampa, they're the best team in the league. His full NTC is expiring at the end of this year - he's certainly leaving the team after this season. He probably would've been moved to another contender back in the offseason had his contract been not this long.

I do think Yzerman made a misplay on giving that many players NTCs in Tampa, but he never would've let things go that out of hand. If TJ, or any other player started f*cking around like Hall did, that guy would've been playing in the AHL or sitting in the press box for the rest of the year. Drouin tried that when he was in Tampa, and he got absolutely shafted while trying it.
Forum: NHL TradesMon at 8:18 pm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LindyRuffRider</b></div><div>&gt; Adams' rep got a hit by trading a former MVP and a "star signing" for a lesser package than a f*cking Sam Bennett got.

So you're just throwing all context out of the window?

&gt; He manhandled Adams to do exactly what he wanted. It's not a good position for a GM to be in where a player can completely dictate what's going to happen with him - especially after his performance have been far from what he got paid for.

It's a NMC. Its whole purpose is to give protection to the player. Every team usually has 1 or 2 players with one. Is every GM in the league getting manhandled by their players because they give out a NMC?

&gt; And moving Hall for a terrible price is the icing on the cake, so to speak.

It's what the market dictated. It's not a terrible price because he was playing terrible. If Hall was at a PPG pace and had 15+ goals then it was a terrible price. Fans might've been hoping for more, but under the circumstances of his play + the NMC it wasn't gonna happen.

&gt; You can go and disagree with me all you like. I personally think this whole episode of signing Hall to Buffalo was a complete failure, and it netted nothing but a 2nd round pick and a bottom-6 winger for them.

I'm not disagreeing that the signing turned out to be a failure. I'm disagreeing that you think he was worth more and that they shouldn't have signed him in the first place.</div></div>

What do you mean by throwing out context?

NMCs are normal. Giving a player a chance to say that he accepts a trade only to one team is not. That's not giving him protection, that's giving him all power and leverage. No experienced GM like Lamoriello, Sakic or Yzerman would never let something like that happen, for instance. A player should never become bigger than the team itself, so to speak.

The market dictated that a lot worse players got much better returns. Bennett and Foligno being the king examples of that. Hall has been terrible, yes, but still better than these guys. And this is why I think the current market should've given a better return for the guy.
Forum: NHL TradesMon at 6:48 pm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LindyRuffRider</b></div><div>How is signing Hall a waste? They signed him to compete for a playoff spot, the team sucked, then they moved him for assets. A waste is not trading him.

Man what are you on about? Completely manhandled haha? Don't get why you're getting so dramatic. It's a NMC. Tons of players have them.

How did Adams ruin his reputation? By working with a player that had a NMC? If anything that boosts his reputation with that player's agent.

A HUGE PR LOSS? Lmao what? Signing Hall was huge for PR. Fans were excited in the off season. Not trading Hall, and him leaving in the off season would've been a PR nightmare.</div></div>

The idea of signing him was good, don't get me wrong. The result was terrible, and it went downward, fast.

He manhandled Adams to do exactly what he wanted. It's not a good position for a GM to be in where a player can completely dictate what's going to happen with him - especially after his performance have been far from what he got paid for.

Adams' rep got a hit by trading a former MVP and a "star signing" for a lesser package than a f*cking Sam Bennett got.

The epic failure this season has been is the greatest PR loss, after "bolstering" the team during the offseason. And moving Hall for a terrible price is the icing on the cake, so to speak.

You can go and disagree with me all you like. I personally think this whole episode of signing Hall to Buffalo was a complete failure, and it netted nothing but a 2nd round pick and a bottom-6 winger for them.
Forum: NHL TradesMon at 6:28 pm
Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 2:22 pm