May 23, 2018
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hullabaloo86</b></div><div>I think that Risto trade that keeps coming up is madness. Miller + Callahan for Risto is fair, anything further (especially Sergachev) from Tampa is ludacrous. Agreed if Risto was swapped for McCabe & Nylander then I would expect Miller and Cally.
Yeah i mean we just disagree on the value of Risto and that means in turn Nylander and McCabe. Risto for Miller alone is insane to me. You have to pay to get rid of a cap hit like Cally's, and it doesn't seem like you're factoring that in. Teams in Tampa's situation have to be proactive about their cap or they'll end up in trouble. They've drafted and developed too well.
Tampa is already clearing close to 15m with the 4 D that are UFAs. Maybe not all will go but if you add Cally they arent that deep in the dwang and dont need to clean out Miller and Killorn unless there is a hockey trade to be made. Killorn is blood and guts and entering the twilight on a potential cup winning team that doesnt need to move him for cap space.
Vas($7+/year), Point ($9+/year), Sergachev ($4+/year) are going to cost at least $20 mill after next year. Cernak another $2-4. They are loaded and have guys ready to step up.. I wouldn't want to move Killorn either, but every other TBL post is for a 3rd-5th so I'm using that as his value.
So the rationale I am starting to see is McCabe + 2nd for Miller, Sheary for Killorn and Nylander for Sergachev. Cally thrown in for cap relief? If this is true I think Tampa still loses on Miller and Sergachev based on proof. Even though they off load Cally its bad for Sabres cap situation, considering we have Okposo and the rest but he only has one year left so not urgent.
Sheary for Killorn + (+ because of the 3mill extra cap space)
McCabe, Nylander, 2nd (or a 1st and 4th) for Miller, Sergachev, Callahan (who the Bolts have to chip in extra to get rid of)
Sheary rental borderline first???? Sorry but how?
Yeah sorry that comment was vague, and this isn't a deadline deal. To clarify, I meant as a deadline deal they're going to talk about a 1st. I think his value is pretty much = to Killorn without factoring in cap hit, except in this deal he's coming $3mill cheaper. People do crazy things for goal scoring wingers at the deadline, and the Sabres have the ability to retain half his hit.
The only way I see this trade working is if Sergachev and the Sabres second are taken out of the picture. McCabe + Sheary + Nylander for Miller + Callahan + Killorn.
Like I said before, I'm not trading Risto (McCabe + Nylander) for Miller + Callahan
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>datools</b></div><div>Yeah but they give up a 1st liner, a 2nd liner and 2x mid to early 2nds for 2x 3rd liners, 2x mid to late firsts a bottom pairing D and 2 depth prospects
That would be like Skinner, Reinhart and 2 nds for Bryan Rust, Jared McCann, 2x 1sts, Callen Addison and Filip Hallender with Pens. I mean, you'd have to be pretty convinced that you got Panarin and Bobrovsky and that no one else would pay fair value for your players</div></div>
1st and Nylander is ~ fair for a player like Huberdeau.
1st and Guhle is ~ fair for Hoffman.
Florida isn't a cap team. Cost controlled NHL contributers are valuable to a team like Florida who has 12 skaters under contract next year, and their average cap hit is > 4 mill AAV.
And yes.. as stated this assumes they are rebuilding/retooling to go after big names this off-season which has been widely reported. Given that I'd give up our top prospect in Nylander, a 1st, and 3 guys I wouldn't move if we were contending to get Huberdeau, obviously I don't think he's a player that you should let go. But rumors are rumors and that's fair value for him.