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Forum: NHLMay 24 at 10:17 p.m.
Thread: 2022-23 NHL Playoff Discussion Thread #2: Ryan Suter is the biggest bird
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>They got to throw someone under the bus. It used to be Gardiner but he retired, than ceci (left), then Anderson (left), then Holl (leaving) so now they shifting back to him

Like yea FLA series not great for him but it was much better than the MTL series where he was an utter mess.

To me I think hes got all the talent but the team still needs help here and there

Still I got a feeling hes gonna get traded (dont know to where or for what) but I will say this its giving me Kadri vibes all over again.</div></div>

Imo. Marner excels when both teams are playing "loose". He's great at disrupting plays and creating a counter attack.
When your opponent is back defensively or playing cautious, it's more difficult to capitalize. When your team is in that same mindset, there's less opportunity to create something in time.

For obvious reasons that doesn't always translate well to the playoffs. You almost have to have a player on his line that is only looking at offense and plays with speed if you expect him to produce consistently.
Forum: NHLMay 24 at 6:47 p.m.
Thread: 2022-23 NHL Playoff Discussion Thread #2: Ryan Suter is the biggest bird
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pinslack</b></div><div><div class="tweet"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dallas’ Jamie Benn has been suspended for two games for Cross-checking against Vegas’ Mark Stone. <a href="https://t.co/YBf8qihuCh" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://t.co/YBf8qihuCh</a></p>— NHL Player Safety (@NHLPlayerSafety) <a href="https://twitter.com/NHLPlayerSafety/status/1661480054566846466?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">May 24, 2023</a></blockquote>

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he will miss the 1st game of the season next year just like Scheifele after his hit on Evans :tearsofjoy</div></div>

Another weak suspension on a play that is very easy to crack down hard on. This and Pietrangelo's chop have no place in the game. It's not open for interpretation, it's an obvious attempt to injure and will continue to happen until suspensions of a meaningful length are implemented.
Players would do a better job keeping their "emotions in check" if 10-20 game suspensions were handed out. We can't have only 1-2 game suspensions for trying to eliminate players from a 7 game series.
A reactionary slap on the wrist because a player luckily avoided injury is clearly not enough of a deterrent and is in no way preventative. If you have to suspend players every round, they obviously aren't getting the message.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 22 at 2:39 p.m.
Thread: Habs Draft
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Lol. Exaggerating to try and make a point when you don't have one. I haven't and haven't seen many Jets fans asking for "multiple higher quality pieces".

I was replying to a Montreal fan that obviously is not very knowledgeable on the situation and believes the only two possible outcomes are, Winnipeg accepts crap for PLD from Montreal, or the Jets lose him for nothing. I just pointed out the his conclusion was wrong and unrealistic.

Myself and most jet fans have been very reasonable and really just expect one quality piece along with a 1st and decent prospect (depending on where the1st is and how good the prosoect is). It's the deals in virtually all Montreal ACGM's with Winnipeg taking back bad contracts, low picks and close to valueless or unneeded prospects that Jets fans turn down.

Montreal fan ACGM's that include reasonable deals are virtually non-existent on this site.</div></div>

This offer wasn't "crap".
A 1st, a good prospect, and a player to offset cap that can be reclaimed or flipped later for an additional asset.
Competing offers will be a likely later 1st, a similar prospect, and a worse player for cap from a contender.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 22 at 9:34 a.m.
Thread: Complete Retool Part 2 - Contenders
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>arafay</b></div><div>I just disagree. andersen and raanta arent going to win Carolina a cup. Kochetkov is not ready in my opinion and might not even be a starter. NJ I agree with you, but they seem to be interested according to rumours, which is why I brought them up. Levi is still a couple of years away from being the starter, at a minimum. And soogaard is at least 4 years away. These teams will be interested in helly. Looking at past cup winners, starters win you cups, not time share guys.</div></div>

Starters under 10% of the cap hit. Vasilevskiy is the only exception and that has only worked because Tampa made huge trades and paid a premium for reduced cap hits. Even then they have only kept under the cap by leveraging every single cap tool possible and constantly juggling players and contracts.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 22 at 1:08 a.m.
Thread: Complete Retool Part 2 - Contenders
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>arafay</b></div><div>Not sure why I didn’t see the post you replied to, maybe the user blocked me lol.

I could see him going for 11mx4 years. Teams would be willing to pay that in my opinion. He probably plays at a vezina level until he’s 33/34 anyway, so I don’t see a problem with that. Certain contenders have space for that. Carolina and New Jersey can certainly make space. Buffalo and Ottawa have it and they want to make the next step.

Some team will pay him what he wants. Though I see a world where he takes less to go to a contender if no one is willing to offer him what he wants. His priority is to win after all. Though I’d put my money on a good team offering him at least 9M. Teams would be willing to make room for a perennial vezina candidate</div></div>

There's been too little goaltending impact and too many instant regret contracts to goaltenders.

It won't be Carolina as they've successfully run 3 goaltenders this season. They'll probably keep one of their vets and run with Kochetkov.
NJ has Schmid and Vanecek is under contract still, as well as a lot of RFA's and defense to sort out.
Buffalo has Levi and need a veteran tandem guy.
Ottawa will be looking for similar to partner with Sogaard.

That's 4 teams that potentially have that kind of cap space and enough interest, but are immediately out of the market because they are more interested in a time share in the crease than a 60+ game guy over 30.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 22 at 12:29 a.m.
Thread: Complete Retool Part 2 - Contenders
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dougford</b></div><div>Yeah but who the hell is giving a 31 year old goalie 9mil per? If anything, teams have learned NOT to give goalies on the wrong side of 30 MASSIVE deals.
He can "say" he wants to be the highest paid goalie, doesn't mean GM's are going to give it to him. If they do, they need to be fired immediately.</div></div>

He could try for $11M for a few years, but there's definitely been a shift in goaltending value, so it's not only unlikely to get that dollar value but almost assuredly not getting term with that kind of demand.

That kind of money is only readily available in the bottom of the league or after a major reset for a contender. Rebuilding teams have no use for elite goaltending and contenders don't have that kind of money to spend.

If he sticks to that kind of demand, he's going to be out of a job. He might as well take a more reasonable 8x7 and find a place to win a cup.
Forum: NHLMay 20 at 9:19 a.m.
Thread: 2022-23 NHL Playoff Discussion Thread #2: Ryan Suter is the biggest bird
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Steven_Stamkos</b></div><div>For some reason officiating has become the most talked about thing this playoffs. Forget Florda's underdog run. Forget the cup finals teams last year out in the first round. Outstanding individual performances. Whatever anyone wants to label as the headline or headlines for this years playoffs, they're wrong. Across the board it's been officiating. Do I agree with the majority? No. This is my first year on CF for the playoffs, but this site has been polluted with complaints and arguements about the refs since the second week of April. It feels as if literally every game there is a problem with the refs lol.

But my response to your comment:
See, that's also an issue in my opinion. Because teams are already taking advantage of game management by the refs. I don't think calling anything and everything will solve it because then you end up playing half or more than half of the game without 5v5. And then it just turns into who can score the most goals. A teams gameplan won't be centered around their style of play, it will be about how we can score more on the powerplay than our opponent, and how we can kill more penalties than they do. The problem with calling everything is that the game will turn soft. Players take less chances because they know they'll get called for it, and the whole game becomes less ferocious and physical. The penalty I hate more than anything on earth that has become quiet regularly called over the last idk 5 years, has been slashing. Slashing a players stick while he has the puck. There is a difference between slashing a players hands/slashing and breaking a players stick, and smacking a puck carriers stick with your stick to effectively knock the puck out of his possession. That's called good defense in my opinion. Things are tightening up now that we are into high pressure time nearing the finals. But in the regular season there were countless soft calls that just ruin the game in my opinion.

If the NHL want's to make stuff soft and easy, to the point where the whole game becomes solely about skill, so be it. But I would hate to see that happen. The grimey, physical, game within the game type stuff that we see in the playoffs is what makes the game great. Not players just flying around the ice dangling with protection from basically any contact whether by stick or body.</div></div>

The playoffs is the wrong time to implement a stricter level of adherence, but it would be a multi-season undertaking regardless. Players aren't going to adapt quickly and will continue to push the limits, until the league shows they will not relax the standard as they have so often before.
Consistency is the goal and that can only be accomplished with diligence.
The biggest gripe in officiating (and game management), is the lack of consistency. X is not a penalty in Y situation, like letting a crosscheck slide because that team is already down 3-0.

As for what gets called, you can't take a crosschecking or slashing penalty if your stick is at ice level, so all players have to do is keep their blades down. That's not a difficult thing to manage, there's just no incentive for them to make the adjustment.
(Tangent, but IMO the double minor for high sticking is perhaps the silliest penalty. You can prevent it by wearing a full shield. If you choose less protection, you assume the risk.)
Forum: NHLMay 20 at 12:07 a.m.
Thread: 2022-23 NHL Playoff Discussion Thread #2: Ryan Suter is the biggest bird
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Steven_Stamkos</b></div><div>Personally I think overtimes should get called hard. I think it needs to be something really egregious for a penalty to get called. The problem I see with a lot of people in overtime is they go "WTF, that's a penalty, how can you not call that???!" people want every thing called because they want as early or as many chances on the powerplay in OT as they can get. But if things get called easy in overtime then they complain about how soft the call is. You can't have it both ways. It's the most intense time of the season, when in doubt, keep the game fair and 5 on 5 rather than having the game/series/cup end over a soft call that didn't effect the game that much anyway. Point blank, if you and your team are complaining about not getting powerplays or getting penalties called against you, you have a problem. If you can't win at this time of year 5 on 5, you don't deserve to be here. Games are won and lost by what you and your team does, not by what the other team or the refs do to you. Because at the end of the day, the only thing you can control is how you play YOUR game. You can't control what the opposing team or the refs do, it's not on them, it's on you.</div></div>

I agree in principal. I want games decided 5 on 5.
I think you have to get to that point by stopping teams from taking penalties however, and that can't happen if you don't make the calls.
Call everything and players will adjust, eventually. If every rule is a coin toss on whether it gets enforced, players will continue to take advantage of the "game management" aspect to gain an edge.
Forum: NHLMay 17 at 2:12 p.m.
Thread: 2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #1: Beg for Bedard
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>A_Habs_fan</b></div><div><div class="tweet"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So Clayton Keller won’t be in Arizona to start the season per… his dad??? <a href="https://t.co/ZdpjLgVbGw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">pic.twitter.com/ZdpjLgVbGw</a></p>— World Hockey Report (@worldhockeyrpt) <a href="https://twitter.com/worldhockeyrpt/status/1658867711097868289?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">May 17, 2023</a></blockquote>

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This might be an insight into some of the player’s perspective about the Tempe vote not going through, also interesting that Clayton Keller’s dad seems to be saying he’s not staying</div></div>

I wouldn't be surprised to see the players revolt honestly.
It should be NHLPA supported. Players expect a certain quality of facilities and security, which is probably written down somewhere.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 15 at 12:56 a.m.
Thread: Next season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>NJD can take him to arbitration in the first window, which would block any offer sheet. And it would lock him into a 1-year deal below $10m. We would have to wait until after January to lock him up long-term, but it is an option.

Also keep in mind that he wanted to be here. Over the all-star break, he vacationed with devils players in Mexico. And the conversations with him and his agent before the trade gave enough confidence to our GM that he made the deal without an extension at deadline.

I would be generally surprised if they do not come to an agreement.</div></div>

I think a long term deal is likely, but there's a good chance it is not cap friendly. He'll be looking for more than his performance since the trade justifies.
That may be where there's an impasse. He can take his $10M for this season and go to the highest bidder when teams have a little more cash to throw around.

Club elected arbitration still provides opportunity for an offer sheet (5 days I think, with the way the deadlines work out).
You also don't take that step if you are hoping to keep a player long term.
Like I said though, an offer sheet is very unlikely. Nobody thinks Meier is worth 4x 1sts and that's what a contract would take.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 14 at 10:43 p.m.
Thread: Next season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>seanrushton</b></div><div>Offer Sheet... Canadian fans should know this well considering how they lost Jesperi Kotkaniemi.</div></div>

NJ has to qualify Meier @ $10M to retain his rights prior to an offer sheet. He might sign an offer sheet for a little less money and more term, but he'll still be in the 4x1st category regardless. I'd say he's pretty safe from an offer sheet because nobody is doing that.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KDev</b></div><div>Lmfao “he walks.” He’s an RFA only thing he’s walking to is Fitzgeralds office and signing an extension.</div></div>

That's up to Meier. NJ's only control is qualifying him @ $10M.
He can take that and leave his options open for next year's projected cap bump.
Is NJ willing to commit $10M (or close to it) long term to him?
He hasn't been worth anywhere near that commitment in NJ to date.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 13 at 11:55 p.m.