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Forum: Armchair-GM1 hour ago
Thread: Calgary trade
I've looked into a price for Price a few times and can only conclude that he's untradeable. Not because of his contract as most suggest, but because the return will never warrant it.
Montreal has nobody behind Price ready for a starting role. His value is too high to them for the return teams normally get for goaltenders.
If we're talking expected value, Hanifin and a decent pick (20-40 range) is about the most I would expect to get. Warm bodies could be included in either direction, but nothing that really moves the needle.

Elite goaltenders don't get traded unless there is a problem of some sort and a new potential starter lined up. That reduces their value. If they are young, you're doing well to get a 1st rounder. If they are older and/or approaching UFA status, the typical return is much less.

Halak was 25 and moved for a 1st and 3rd (Eller and Ian Schultz) when he was outperforming Price. Eller was a 13th overall pick.
Schneider was 26 and moved for a 1st, the 9th overall pick (Horvat).
Goaltenders that have been usurped as the starter around 30 or older, normally don't bring much of a return. We're talking warm body + middling pick.

There's not much precedent for trading an elite goaltender with a long term contract. Even less for a contract of unprecedented value for a goaltender. I'm willing to bet that's because GMs aren't willing to give up what it would take to acquire them.
Forum: GM Game 2018-19 & 2019-2015 hours ago
Thread: 2018-19 Gm Game - Messages to the BOG/Commisioner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>flamesfan419</b></div><div>We do our free agents (RFA &amp; UFA) before July 1st, so there's no point waiting for RL to happen because we have to decide on new contracts ahead of that.
Plus the sheet that's used as a guideline for contracts usually doesn't get published until the latter part of May.
I've quietly wondered if this is the correct way of doing it based on a few (many) free agent signings back when v3 started compared with what that "real life" player was signed for.
But, that's just me and I understand and follow the rules set forth in our game. It just sucks when you're stuck with a guy whose "in game" contract is so horribly out of whack with what he got in real life.

My other thought on the whole topic is, we are relying on a group of 6-7 people to make the final determination on pretty much every free agent contract in our game.
I know because at this time last year I was one of those 6-7 people, and it wasn't always easy having to go back to someone and tell them they had to increase their offer to one that fit more in line with either some prediction sheet or what "we" felt was right.
What I'd like to see happen, just as an example, if we sign a FA to a certain contract and it turns out the real life number and term is much lower, we're given the option to change it to match. I mean if you've got a guy whose 50% higher in term &amp; cap than what his real life deal is, that's kind of stupid.

Don't take anything I've said the wrong way, the prediction sheet is a pretty good tool and surprisingly comes very close if not bang on with the numbers.</div></div>

I understand even though I disagree. If we are matching any contracts though, we have to match them all, not just the ones beneficial to us. I trust myself not to make ridiculous contracts in either direction, but I can't say the same for all other GMs, real and imagined. I don't want either of them making my GM decisions, that's what I'm here for.
The only problem is GMs in our game offering ridiculous contracts. Offer contracts that you think are realistic, not ones that lock every player up long term or structured to win him in free agency. I'd rather be outbid than overpay.
If you trade for one of those ridiculous contracts, that's on you as well.

You should also be able to justify any contract. Use comparables, take into account the length and value players of that kind and/or in that situation may get in real life. If you're significantly wrong, you're bad at your job. :p
Forum: Armchair-GM16 hours ago
Thread: Major deal with Edmonton OttawaFlorida and Tampa
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HabsRafiki</b></div><div>Bobby Ryan is good enough that Ottawa could still get a little something for him, though not much because of his contract. They won't have to pay someone to take out the trash.

The EDM trade is too complicated. Simplify it to Lucic, Puljujarvi and the EDM #1 (eighth overall) for MTL #1 (15th) and a conditional pick based on Puljujarvi's NHL performance over the next 2 years. Edmonton doesn't likely want Hudon (does anyone?) or Peca.</div></div>

I'd simplify it further. Edmonton keeps their broken players and Montreal picks 15th.
The difference between 15th and 8th just doesn't justify taking Lucic, and there's no need for Pulj to be moved. Hudon will be a UFA and Peca would just be an expensive bottom 6er.

Montreal would really be taking a 1st for Lucic and giving up a 1st for Pulj here, neither of which I would be inclined to do. It's close enough value wise, but it's a bad time for Montreal to waste a roster spot on Lucic (taking development time away or sitting better players) and I'd rather not use a 1st on a player that has already had his development and health hampered.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 2:45 pm
Thread: trying to get the 4th avs fans might wanna help here
Would you trade Buchnevich, Georgiev, and a 1st for Bennett, Puljujarvi, or G.Reinhart?
Those are 3 of the last 7 4th overall selections.

IF you are trading a top 10 pick, you are trading it for additional prospects/picks or in a package for a more established player that is further along in their development.
#4 OA is not enough for Zibenejad.
If you are confident Buchnevich is a top 6 player and not a middle 6'er. That's about fair value. There's still a risk he's only a middle 6'er, but the pick has the risk of not even being an NHL'er. If you wait until a player establishes themselves as a top 6'er, the pick alone is no longer enough. Both teams have to be confident in what they are getting and assume a certain amount of risk, but the team giving up the established player is almost always assuming the larger risk.