Apr 23, 2018
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PLDGEY</b></div><div>Youre gonna have to really sell the Sens on this.
As of now, Pageau should go for a first. What makes these prospects better?</div></div>
My thinking here is that obviously first round picks, and all picks majority wise are gambles. Additionally, with a move like this, I would hope you could expect a team like the Flyers to be able to not only make the playoffs, but perhaps win a round or two. They clearly have shown over the entirety of this season that not only can they defend their home ice, but that they can beat the best teams in the league, literally (St. Louis on the road, Washington, Boston, Pittsburgh at home). So if they were theoretically looking at that first round pick as a late 1st, its an even bigger gamble than earlier in the first round. Isaac Ratcliffe has been rated as a solid prospect over the last several years, maybe even more so than what you would get at the back end of the first, in addition to receiving a RHD dman who showed he wasn't overmatched playing bottom pairing minutes, and additionally getting a 2nd round pick.
I understand what you're saying though, and perhaps maybe a condition could be set that if Pageau plays in 75% of playoff games and they make the ECF's or beyond, that it would turn into a 2021 first round pick, or something along those lines.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>villenash</b></div><div>Are Myers, Sanheim, Morin not going to turn into those top 4 defenseman that you need? As far as defenseman go, I think the soon-to-be UFA's will get overpaid. They are for the most part older, slower and on the decline (generally speaking). So maybe the trade route is the way you should go to fill that void. PHI has a lot of young forwards they could package for a defenseman. Maybe Zadorov from COL or Nurse from EDM or Dumba from MIN- just spitballing.</div></div>
To be honest I am not sure we do have those guys to get a Zadorov or Nurse or Dumba, as I don't think the team is keen on trading the upper tier guys like frost and farabee, maybe ratcliffe but there would definitely need to be more there. I think guys like Aube-Kubel and David Kase, and to some extent also guys like Bunnaman and Twarynski have shown they have what it takes to play in the bottom 6, but those would just be pieces, nothing to base an entire trade around. Hagg has quietly been one of our better dmen this year and perhaps when or if ghost comes back, he could be added to a trade, as Ghost's value is so low I would assume the team would like to get him going, perhaps putting him back with Braun and allowing him to be more of an attacking dman. Mark Friedman also showed he could hold his own, albeit over a very, very small sample size. You hope Morin comes back, but at this point, it has just been bad break after bad break, he cannot stay healthy and cannot find a way into a d corps that for the most part since he has been drafted in 2013, hasn't been a top tier group. it feels like if he hasn't cracked it on a regular basis yet, then will he ever?
I think the Flyers for the most part have played some really good hockey, and as funny as it is they play their best hockey against division leaders and playoff teams, which is so weird but also the most Flyers thing ever. If they can get a defense first dman who can eat minutes, help the PK, can contribute a bit offensively, and make guys afraid to stay by the net or go into the corners, I think thats what our number one need would be. Especially if Patrick can maybe come back and even more so if that line of JVR-G-TK continues to buzz out there, they can set the tone for the rest of the lineup.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>villenash</b></div><div>Dillon is not a minutes-eater -- has averaged just over 17 minutes a game for the last 6 years with SJS. When he was playing more minutes when he played for Dallas he was awful, SJS realized this and has kept his minutes down to that of a 4/5 defenseman because he can't handle more. If you want him, go for it - just don't overpay for a soon-to-be 30 year old 4/5 defenseman or it will be a burden of a contract before the ink is dry. Players like you described do not age well - don't sign them in their 30s to big money/term contracts.</div></div>
i dont know, i mean he does play on a team with EK and Burns, and Vlasic, im sure he wouldn't get the opportunities that he would here. he does play almost 20 a night now even with those 3 above him, and he has been for the most part a plus player in his career while regularly having a ton of hits. But watching several SJ games and from I hear his teammates think about him (on podcasts, TSN, etc etc) he appears to be pretty good in his own end. And yes he is 29, but outside of a bad year, he has stayed relatively healthy and will have about 600 games to his name by the end of the season. if he has 300/400 games left in him the contract would certainly be worth it. I agree, maybe a bit high, but the type of dman we need isn't out there I guess. Maybe i was forcing it a bit. I would definitely like a guy like Barrie or Pietreangelo but thats not realistic.
IDK, we just need help on defense, we need a suter, we need a weber, we need a doughty, we need another Provy, I just dont see where they are, they dont grow on trees.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jslongo</b></div><div>It is now well into the season. Looks like the Voracek decline is well in affect. Hes on pace for less than 60 points this year</div></div>
The whole "Pace" thing is fine if you want to use it, I have seen guys on "pace" for 60 goals and end up with less than 40, I have seen guys go scoreless for 10 games on be on pace for 28 goals and score over 50. "Pace" is extremely relative, and yes, 22 points in 33 games is not ideal for a guy making 8.25 mil a year. However, is it out of the realm of possibility a guy with his skill set can get 45 points in 49 games? I don't think so. he has gone on runs like that before. That would be 65 points, in addition to him improving his all around defensive game. I would be fine with that from Jake. All I care about is winning, and we were doing just that, unfortunately we just got hit with so many injuries and other things in a week and a half it made my head spin. Raffl, TK, Oskar, Farabee, Myers (thankfully he is back), Pitlick, and Laughton (twice). Once we can get healthy, getting into the playoffs is all that matters. Teams aren't all about one guy. Me personally, I am more worried abou JVR's performance and his 7 million a year contract, that is more disheartening to me.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>Like you cant get more stacked than that plus you need to make room for Frost</div></div>
I love Frost, don't get me wrong, but I would like to get him to a point where he is dominating the AHL. It's not like a necessity we get him up to the NHL, and it would behoove us to limit the value of his contract the next year or two. I could see his size becoming an issue but the more he gets used to AHL play, it will allow him to get bigger, and learn more than being thrown right in the fire. Conversely, I believe Farabee is ready now so next year I can see him being on the opening night roster.
This team is legit though, and with another year under Carter's belt, this team should be a contender for years to come.
If they do feel Frost is ready now, JVR could be an interesting trade candidate, even Patrick, but I am not giving up on him yet.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ExpiredmilkYT</b></div><div>He is</div></div>
He's not a scrub and you're not way off, but you're off in the assessment of the team. Hayes was a bit of an overpay, but if he is really worth all of 6.5 mil, what's the difference in the extra 600k. He fits much better on this team than any free agent on the market for what our needs were (strong 200 foot play, can play in all situations, good face off man, big body and hard to get off the puck), plus he is just only 27. His age when his contract expires will still be less than what Joe Pavelski (most people wanted him too) than how old he is right now. We are getting him in the prime of his career and he has only improved year in and year out. Hayes' familiarity with AV is also a positive and the learning curve should not be as big as it would be with other FA's coming in.
MoJo was not a good fit on this team, and definitely not someone who I would trust with 2nd line minutes. Hayes is a borderline 1b center at this time and as I mentioned he is only getting better and just now entering his prime.
Subban is not the answer either, our team couldn't prevent goals last year, we were average at scoring them. We needed defense, not more Dmen who could join the rush, which we already have plenty of. Plus that contract is ridiculous, and for someone who has had chronic injuries over his career, it's not a good gamble. I do love PK Subban and don't get me wrong would love him on my team, but NJ was definitely in better of a position to get him and keep him than we were, with our cap situation and our current defensemen. The names you mention are more flashy, but definitely not necessary.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>Is Nolan Patrick not being put in a position to succeed or is he just not that good?</div></div>
Nolan Patrick does have talent and a skill set that can absolutely succeed in the NHL. He has fought injury every since his last year in Junior and has not ever had a full healthy offseason to get ready for the season. Even whilst playing with injury, when he has been put in spots that benefit him (3rd line C as opposed to 2nd line C, Power Play Time, etc.) he has succeeded. He has had a few streaks of being a point per game player in double digit games over his career, and seemed to be really turning the page towards the end of last year. However, with this chronic migraine issue, who knows. Neurological issues just can't be predicted, but there have been players who have been able to overcome issues like these and still go on to have a successful career, one case was early on in Nik Backstrom's career. I really feel for the kid, but he is a talent and the Flyers would stupid, for lack of a better term, to give up on him so early, being that he just 21 years old two and a half weeks ago.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jslongo</b></div><div>Yes that is my prediction. Also not to sure why you are relating Voracek to the Canes as he plays for Philly.
Also I am aware of what he has done in the past, this post is about the future.
Im also very high on Giroux. One of my fav forwards in the league. Not to sure where you are getting this info from?</div></div>
You're a Carolina fan no? Which is why I'm comparing to Carolina players. You can say he is definitely not getting any better but better than what? His current production, his teammates, other players? I just comparing his production to players on your team and he currently smokes almost every one on your team.
What I'm getting at is that everyone thought G was declining, and that wasn't even close. Saying in absolutes that Jake is going to decline and he definitely not getting any better, and thats your opinion so you can't technically be wrong, but I'd be remiss if I didn't say that Jake hasn't shown any signs of slowing down, is still a monster on the puck, and now has a coach with a proven track record over a guy like Hakstol. In my opinion, I could see Jake being a point-per-game player this year and being up there for the league lead in assists once again. But hey, agree to disagree, nothing wrong with that.
i think you did a fine job of setting up the lines as most of us expect going into the year. that final spot in the top 9 seems to be up for grabs, with names from Pitlick, Laughton, Gabriel, Andreoff, even Chris Stewart, as names that can fill the role. Rookies and younger guys also in the "conversation" can include Frost, Farabee, German Rubstov, Nicholas Aube-Kubel, Mikhail Vorobyev, et al.
The d corps is right on as well, although I believe that Sanheim will be paired with Braun behind Provy and Nisky, and Ghost and Myers would be the third pairing. My thinking is is that that 3rd pair can cause some fits to other teams 3rd or 4th line and can also be counted on in more offensive zone starts, as those 2 both have great offensive tools. Everyone knows about Ghost's shot and ability in the offensive zone, but Myers has an absolute cannon from the point, and also with his long strides and good straight line skating, he can make up for some mistakes or gambles he takes.
Overall not bad at all though here, I do think when it comes to the Metro, its Washington at the top, then Philly/Carolina either 2/3 or vice versa.