Apr 23, 2018
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dmh1055</b></div><div>The team is getting to a point where they need to have some faith that Patrick can be healthy and return. If he's healthy he's the 3C and they'd be hard pressed to find one with his talent level for that cap price. Since What/Ifs are always a part of the offseason, I would counter the Flyers are prepared for a scenario where Frost and Patrick are not ready or unavailable. The Flyers have 2 natural centers in Giroux and Laughton playing the wing. In the event 1 or both needs to move to center the Flyers have that ability. The team also has Raffl as a spare forward to enter the lineup on the wing. The Flyers have other youth options for 4th line center like Bunnaman or Rubstov as well.
I don't see Simmonds as a redundancy but as an actual need. If you watched the team play in the playoffs they had a real lack of net presence and layering to help shots get through from the point on the power play. Simmonds is an instant improvement in that regard. Pitlick is a nice player but as a UFA I suspect he'll be paid closer to $2 million per season which is tough number to give for a 4th liner PK specialist when the Flyers have many players who fill that role.
As far as having a "luxury" 5/6 defenseman, you have to look beyond this 1 season. Niskanen probably won't be back. Miller gives the Flyers a viable #4 RD at a reasonable cost in the 2nd year of his deal. The Flyers will have to sign Carter Hart after the 20-21 season.</div></div>
I agree about Patrick, but having faith in him and him actually doing it are two different things. We can believe anything we want but if this neurological issue ends up not going away, then that plan for Patrick is moot. We just have no idea right now. I know they have G and Laughton to play C, but they have proven over the last two years that they are best suited to wing. If we don't need to play them in a position that they are stat wise not best at, why do it? We have plenty of young bottom 6 players we can plug in, we do have Raffl who can play all over the line up sure, but that doesn't make us more "dynamic". The only way I see that happening with players under our control is if Patty resembles something like Hischier (compared to his draft class) at 3C and Frost turns into a bonafide top 6 sniper on the wing. That's what we need, we need a scorer on the wing, someone who will shoot first over our bevvy of pass first players. You're not gonna play Frost at 4C, and if Patty plays like his potential indicates, Frost isn't unseating Coots or Hayesy.
Again, we have younger, less expensive players already under contract that can bring what Simmonds can bring at his age, right now. The reason why he would be a liability is because how would he get to be able to have those net front presences if his underlying stats show he doesn't drive play? OK, so shelter him with OZ starts. But then you're taking valuable OZ time away from another forward who performs better in the now. The same reason you don't like Pitlick, because we already have those players, is the same reason why bringing Simmonds back makes no fiscal or technical sense, we have his type of player already under contract and our cap situation can't afford us add more money to it.
I am looking beyond this season, we still need to sign Myers, Hart, Sanheim, and then in a few years we need to sign Coots/Giroux/Laughts/Farabee/Frost etc etc, why would we keep a 5th/6th defenseman making 4 million when we have all those contracts to pay and no raise in salary cap??
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hanson493</b></div><div>ONE, im quoting back to march... where the lightning were absolutely lost as a team. they didnt really start slow after the layoff. Maybe during the regular season but thats what happens when youve got some vets. regardless. vasy had been giving up between 3 and 4 goals a game in the 7-8 starts before the season ended. they were losing games to bad teams, had no chemistry anywhere in the lineup. Injuries everywhere, guys were pretty obviously playing through some stuff during the march stretch as they were trying to catch boston for the 1 seed.
Comparing march to now is like comparing an apple to a gorilla. There is no similarity between August 1st and march 10th. Dallas stars were one of the worst teams in hockey based on the last 10 games as well as tampa when the season was cancelled. the 5 month layoff is longer than most playoff teams get to begin with. nevermind the fact that they literally disregard the ENTIRE seasons worth of games and decided seeding based on some BS 3 preseason roundrobin style games lol. Khudobin got hot during the summer, lightning scorers got hot in the summer and decided to play defense. Am i slighting tampa in any way saying they arent a good team? no. What i am saying is this "playoff" bears little to no resemblance of the regular season that took place because if it did tampa and dallas likely arent where they are today. Colorado philly st.louis vegas and boston were the 5 hottest teams going into the break. Lightning, stars, islanders, bluejackets, were 4 of the worst at the time.</div></div>
OK, I get all of that. But what says the hottest teams in March are the same teams that make it far? Remember TB last year? They cruised the whole year, got to the playoffs, and got swept. It's not about who is hot in March, it's about who gets hottest when the playoffs start. Isnt' that exactly what Dallas and TB did? Everyone has the same things going on around them, every team had the same situation that any other team did. Just as it is every year in the playoffs, whoever gets hot at the right time, whatever goalie gets hot at the right time, etc etc. What's the difference if the right time was the second week of April like normal or August 1st like this year?
TB also was the 2nd hottest team in 2020 so I don't know TBL team you were watching, they actually had an 11 game winning streak in February and a 10 game winning streak from late December into January. They're combined record in 2020 was 22-8-2, which is a 117 point pace over a full season. Are you sure about that?
And Vasy over his last 17 games had only 3 games where he let in more than 3 goals. he also had a .948 sv% in January and a .917 sv% in Feb and March. Idk what you're looking at man.
But one last thing, since when does any playoff resemble what happens in the RS??? When was the last presidents trophy team to win a SC? That's why hockey is great, you never know who's gonna win, it's all about getting hot at the right time. What does anything have to do with who was hot in march and who wasn't?? It's all about who gets hot at the right time, and they did!
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dmh1055</b></div><div>You say get more dynamic on offense like that is easy to just obtain. A full year of Lindblom, Farabee, and Frost being in the lineup has to account for some youth that is unblocked and creating more offense. Simmonds was an addition for $1million. He blocks no one. He's at the value of a spare forward so if a young player such as Wade Allison pushed him out great. But in the world of not giving prospects automatic jobs, I signed Simmonds to give the Flyers a touch of toughness and a player who can offer some Power Play specialty at the net front. He's not the player he once was but he can still contribute in a limited role.
Ghost wasn't playing in the lineup. Miller is an upgraded 3rd pair RHD defenseman over Braun. The Hagg-Miller pair is more balanced as complementary players. The defense isn't some drastic overhaul area.</div></div>
It's not easy to obtain but we have pieces in place, it would only take another piece or two to do what I'm talking about. It's not like we're starting at zero here with our offense.
You're also banking and presuming a lot with Patrick (who knows if he'll even play), Frost (who knows if they think he's ready), and Lindblom (yes seemed to be turning a corner as a true goal scorer and PP threat, but who knows what happens when he returns, what if he falls behind? I hope he doesn't as much as anyone but none of these you can say 100% will happen), all filling in important spots. Even Patrick at 4C, you see the need to really be able to roll four lines so if it's a Bunnaman or Laczynski, what does that do for your lineup?
The fact that Simmonds doesn't block anyone is irrelevant, with a flat cap space you can't waste a million dollars on a player that you have plenty of, it just doesn't make sense in the cap situation we currently are in. We're up against the cap as it is and I would rather have Pitlick than Simmonds at this point, and we're most likely gonna have to let Pitlick walk. So no its not just about blocking Allison, it's about spending much needed money on a redundancy
Trading Ghost? OK fine, I get it, but bringing on a 5/6 dman at almost a 4 million cap space, is also a luxury we can't afford. My best bet at our third pairing next year will be Hagg/Ghost - Friedman, whichever of Hagg or Ghost they choose to keep, I don't see them both coming back, especially if Braun signs for a smaller 1 year deal, but I see them letting Braun go.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hanson493</b></div><div>TBL wasnt even on the TBL level during the regular season. thats why this playoff is a joke. lightning were 3-6-1 going into the season being cancelled with some tough games lined up for them. They could have had a second 1st round bounce had the season continued and it would have 100% been a possibility. i think the flyers are fine, their offense just needs to show up when it counts.</div></div>
I think you are majorly undervaluing their team just due to the fact that its a different type of playoff. Yes TBL started slow but they were one of, if not the, best team in the league the last 2 months. It is evident you can plainly see the talent up and down the lineup, it's not even close. And they're doing this all without Stammer. Say what you will about the lay off and whatever, but it is easy to see why they are in the ECF's/SCF's almost every other year. They are a bonafide annual cup contender: Kucherov, Point, Stamkos, Hedman, Sergachev, Gourde, and Johnson, and then you have what seemingly feels like an endless role call of specialists and spark plugs like Palat, Killorn, Cirelli, Maroon, and then you fill out the rest of your bottom 4 with guys who have had degrees of varying success around the league like Coburn, McDonagh, Bogosian, and Shatty, but also seem to make Luke Schenn work somehow too as a 6th/7th.
Dude, I'm not even a Lightning fan but i think it's pretty clear to see why they are in the cup finals.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>msekkes</b></div><div>Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much especially taking on Lucic's contract even with $1 million retained. I read Now Last Word On Hockey saying it would cost JVR, York, and a 2nd. Now that I would do in a second, but doubt Calgary does.</div></div>
I would also do that in a second, hell, throw in another 2nd or another B level prospect (Laberge, Sandstrom, et al), and I'd be fine with that. York would hurt since I can't wait to see him play in a Flyers sweater but for a guy like Gaudreau and also being a huge homecoming fans have wanted since the entire Bobby Ryan thing, yeah, id do it no questions asked.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>carterhart</b></div><div>If you put Eichel and Couturier side-by-side, I take Eichel instantly. Love Coots, but this is Eichel who's 23 and a bonafide superstar. Center to replace a center, and you keep more of your younger assets like Farabee and Frost who are gonna really contribute to the success of this team in coming years. There's no point in trading those guys just to keep Coots and have guys like Hayes who makes $7m on the third line, and Patrick stuffed on the 4th line.
Philly loves Coots, and always will. But if there was a deal that involved him and way less than this to get Eichel, we gotta jump on it.</div></div>
I agree with all your points, but there was a player who was just as dominant if not more so than Eichel, back in the mid 00's, superstar quality, who was traded for way less due to front office management squabbles, Joe Thornton. Imagine acquiring a guy like Thornton for Marco Sturm, Brad Stuart, Wayne Primeau, and a pick.
And i quote. "Ahead of the NHL resumption in 2005–06, Thornton became a restricted free agent in summer 2005. Negotiations on a new contract were strained: Thornton was reportedly unhappy with the state of the Boston Bruins franchise, and upset with criticism of his play in the Bruins' early playoff exit in 2004. He was under heavy scrutiny[by whom?] for his leadership style and was criticized for not raising his level of play during the playoffs."
Now granted, that may have been a fluke, but with the way things are going with Buffalo, it seems like an awfully familiar situation, less the playoff part since he never played in them so far. They may realize they're gonna lose him one way or the other and in order to get a more attractive haul, they may need to trade him with years left on his contract for value.
In my opinion, a package with Frost, Farabee, and Sanheim, with multiple firsts, is gonna be at the top of any offer they get. Not including a 3rd round big bodied net front guy like JVR, who hasn't completely lost it yet.