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Jun 9, 2017
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>michaelost</b></div><div>bear has crazy potential lol. the foegle wasn't needed and Bear>Barrie. Should have left Barrie off</div></div>
Contrary to your line of thinking, I think that Bear was in a very similar position to Foegele because of Evan Bouchard's development. Based on past comments made by Ken Holland, Dave Tippett, and Jim Playfair, we know the Oilers were committed to having Bouchard in the lineup this year and were concerned with the prospect of going into this season with too much inexperience on the team's blue line. Bear has less than two full season's of experience and he regressed last year. In comparison to him, Bouchard has better draft pedigree, is a physically bigger man, is a better skater, possesses a far superior shot and better playmaking ability, has vastly greater potential, and already looks like a better NHL defenseman. IMO, that is why Bear was deemed expendable in Edmonton.
I'd like to see this trade work out for both teams because I like both players involved. Bear has good potential, and I hope he does very well in Carolina because Foegele has been a positive revelation in Edmonton.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KDow88</b></div><div>I understand the asset management part, but the one thing you're not grasping for that argument, should Benson be the extra Forward, how is he getting better as the 13/14th forward who would only see the lineup in limited minutes, when he's SUPPOSED to be looked at as more of an offensive guy, you're just diminishing the asset to be nothing but a waiver guy who another team MAY or may not want to take a chance on for free... Again, I would love nothing more than to see both guys in the top 9 but it's looking more and more grimm unless one of the wingers in the top 6 gets dealt and/or Turris does...</div></div>
Benson's predicament is not a new development, he has been an iffy proposition from the moment he was drafted. The Oilers bet that he might overcome his history of injury and become a middle-six scoring forward in the NHL. Instead, he's at risk of being labelled a tweener simply because he has been a high-scoring talent in the past, a leading scorer in the AHL, and a young player who has struggled to have an impact in the very few NHL games he's played so far. Another season in the AHL is unlikely to change Benson's lot, he's pretty much plateaued in his development at that level. I see no harm in giving him more time practicing and competing at the NHL level, doing so will give him more exposure and experience, and allow him to become more comfortable in a bottom six role. If he can provide some depth scoring then great. If he continues to struggle then perhaps its time to shop him for whatever return can be had, or take the risk of losing him on the waiver wire. McLeod has more room for improvement than Benson does right now. He can get tons of ice time in Bakersfield and focus on developing a more assertive style of play. That is what's missing in McLeod's game, and if he can address that deficiency he will quickly solidify himself as an Oiler once he is recalled.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KDow88</b></div><div>So, McLeod hasn't done enough, but Benson has??? I'd like to keep both guys especially with no Archibald in the mix, but if push came to shove McLeod more so than Benson....</div></div>
While on-ice performance is a critical consideration, asset management is quite important as well. McLeod is waiver exempt, so the Oilers can reassign him without risk of another team scooping him up for free. Benson is not waiver exempt, so it makes sense to keep him with the club instead of exposing him to a waiver claim. Besides, its unlikely Benson will improve much in Bakersfield, whereas McLeod could work on developing more of a shooter's mentality in order to boost his potential offensive production when he gets back to the NHL. With Holloway now unlikely to see NHL time this season, McLeod should be the undisputed first call-up and his bonuses amount to only $150k, which should be easy to fit in when he does play in Edmonton later this season.
Benson can fill in as an extra forward, practice with the NHL guys regularly, and get some game time as the season progresses. Worst case scenario would be placing him on waivers and losing him after giving as many opportunities as reasonably possible. Alternatively, he might see some success and work his way into the lineup on a relatively frequent basis, or he may serve as a decent trade piece should the need arise.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeonTheRealDeal</b></div><div>Not gonna be 1st or 2nd if you don't have Benson as 4LW and Koekkoek with Bouchard (3rd pair) to start off the season and if he plays really good then he might get promoted to second or even first pairs</div></div>
I agree that Koekkoek should slot in ahead of Russell, as long as he continues his strong play. At this point, the composition of the 4th line is still up in the air. Perlini, Benson, Shore, McLeod, and Turris are all under contract, and Sceviour has competed well with that group so far. Given the contract situation, and given how that group of players have performed, it might make sense to release Sceviour and reassign McLeod to Bakersfield, then run with Perlini, Shore, and Turris as the 4th line. If Archibald is done, and it certainly appears as though he is, then Benson and Lagesson will not have to go through waivers and they can join Russell as the extras.
We will see what the rest of the preseason brings.
Player performance is not the only factor Holland and Tippett have to consider. There may be a need to give deserving prospects some NHL exposure, while also maximizing the team's LTIR benefits, and limiting exposure of players who are not waiver exempt. Such considerations might impact players like Benson, Lagesson, Broberg, Sceviour, Perlini, Shore, and possibly Lavoie. Archibald's situation with Edmonton seems untenable if he's not willing to be vaccinated, and time will tell whether Russell's neck will put him on the IR, or LTIR. <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Petey232323</b></div><div>meh. Sceviour is a good defensive forward. Marody was one of, if not the best player in the AHL last year. Both of those guys also have a higher xgpm/60 in the bigs than Kassian. Playing him in the top 6 would be a huge mistake. Taking away playing time from younger and better players.</div></div>
The PTO for Sceviour is pretty typical of Ken Holland. He's a low risk depth option whose presence should motivate the other depth players attending camp. His performance during camp will determine his fate, whether with the Oilers or some other team. Marody, like Benson, has been a top prospect for some time and is now entering a defining year. Both of those guys have one-year, two-way contracts and neither is waiver exempt. If Marody doesn't make the team coming out of the preseason, then he will probably be expected to perform the role of veteran AHL mentor for younger prospects. If he does get a call up, he might be lost to a waiver claim. I think Holloway's absence will have some impact on the futures of both Benson and Marody. Kassian is an enigmatic player, and fans seem to be polarized in their view of his role and value to the team. He is a candidate for a top six roster spot, and unless Tippet decides to move Hyman to RW and drop Puljujarvi down the lineup a bit, Kassian's competition is Yamamoto and perhaps Foegele. Yamamoto wins if he can rekindle his January to March 2020 performance. Otherwise, a motivated Kassian is a much better option and Tippett can roll a 3rd line comprised of Foegele, Ryan, and Yamamoto. Of course Turris might surprise as well, but I think he might slot in with McLeod if he makes the team. It makes sense to me that Tippett might want a veteran right handed centre to support a rookie left handed centre in a depth position. I'm no expert though, and this is all one fan's opinion.
Having just gone through a second surgery to repair his scaphoid, it is unrealistic to expect Holloway to play in Edmonton this season, he and Lavoie may be joining the team for 2022-23. Ceci should not be expected to play top pairing minutes, the cast is set with Barrie playing along side Nurse until Bouchard surpasses him in a year or two. Besides, Ceci thrived in a lesser role, while in Pittsbugh and the Oilers should be doing everything possible to help him repeat that success. If Puiljujarvi continues his developmental trajectory, taking him off McDavid's line will be a mistake, regardless of whether Holland acquires a player like Rakell. On that note, its been some time since Rakell has been the outstanding player he used to be. He might be a good TDL pickup, if the cost makes sense and if both Yamamoto and Kassian struggle again this season. Otherwise, I think the Oilers are better off looking to upgrade their goaltending and adding at least one big, nasty veteran shut-down defender with good playoff experience. Stolarz is not the goaltender Edmonton needs to add for that purpose.