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Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 6 at 8:38 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>I agreed with every word that writer said. It supports my point. It does nothing to support yours. did you not read it kiddo?

Here, let me help you out. This took about 30 seconds to look up. In the last 10 years, there have been four players traded around the deadline that have signed within 10 days of being traded:
JG Pageau
Mark Stone
Bo Horvat

Lindholm is one you could make an argument got as much as a second for an extension somewhat in place. I think it was more like Vaakainanen, valued maybe around a 4th, but whatever. The others? not a chance

1st and a 2nd for Pageau, a 26 year old shut down center on pace for 35 goals? there was no added value there. that's just the price.
Mark Stone, a point per game selke player getting a solid prospect and a second? there's no extra value there. ottawa got fleeced.
Bo Horvat - two way center on pace for north of 50 goals got a cap dump, a 1st, and a pretty good prospect. where's the extra value?

so you can continue to misread writers all you want, lie to yourself about what they said, in the case of seravelli, completely make up what they say, and take their words as you interpret them as gospel....or you can just look at what happens? good? good.

take care kiddo. best of luck in the spring semester.</div></div>

What are you comparing these trades to? You've only listed the trades themselves and we've already discussed two (Lindholm and Stone). Again, you haven't done anything to refute my Lindholm-Orlov comparison. Can you show a comparison to Lindholm where the player wasn't extended and fetched a similar value?

Like the Stone trade, Pageau's trade happened in a previous era of the NHL, also, you provided no value to compare it against. You just listed what Pageau's return was.

Can you expand on the Horvat deal, perhaps compare it to another trade of a top-line centre? Horvat for the 17th overall, Aatu Raty, and Beauvillier vs. what?
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 6 at 8:28 p.m.
Thread: Okay lets go
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 6 at 6:33 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 6 at 5:42 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 6 at 5:04 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>again, you were the one that brought up insiders. that was your case, "All the reports from insiders indicate a rental vs. long term contract significantly impacts the return." That was the very first thing you said to me.

I know what the text is designed to do. It doesn't have the desired affect. it just makes you look unintelligent.

You have made things up. You've tracked down articles and said, "see! this says A, B, and C!" And it just says something completely different that doesn't remotely support your point.

Stop shifting the goalposts. Lindholm's extension didn't significantly impact his trade value, because duh. look at the trade. likewise with every other deadline deal that results in an extension. If you want to just keep shifting the goalposts, have fun. i don't have the time for it.</div></div>

Yes, and I provided two articles that back up my point. You have not provided any articles or reports, only "vAGuE sPeCuLaTioN."

Buddy, you seem unintelligent. You cannot type correctly, you have provided no sources to back up your side of the debate, and have only been able to provide your speculation to refute my points. You're trying to turn this into a strawman about Spongebob text.

I haven't made anything up, I've used direct comparisons between real NHL players who were in similar positions and traded to the same team less than a year apart, explaining how they're similar and how we can compare the values of those trades. I've provided links to two articles that reinforce my statements. When I've asked you to do the same as you've requested of me, you can only provide vague speculation; no specifics about what the player was traded for or how it backs up your point, only "Mark Stone and Lindholm." You haven't provided alternative trade examples, or news articles about players' values with an extension vs. without one, or another modicum of evidence.

I haven't moved the goalposts whatsoever, I am asking that you use the same goal posts.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 6 at 4:40 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>sure. lindholm. or how about every deadline rental that instantly inks an extension. notice how the trades never look much different than a regular deadline rental? how about mark stone? elite player signs an extension on the flight, and got a pretty minimal return. or we could just go through every single deadline trade. they all look pretty comparable regardless of an extension.

btw, the whole lowercase uppercase thing doesn't make you look smart. it makes you look like you don't have any creativity and can't come up with a comment of your own. You presented zero evidence, as what you were claiming was that an extension significantly alters value. neither of the two sources you cited mentioned that at all, they just mentioned vaguely that the ability to extend could increase value - which is something i have agreed with, and actively asserted. seravelli didn't even touch on it at all.

I just don't really get why you're trying to make stuff up. we can all just look at what happens in this league, and draw conclusions that normal people would.</div></div>

Where are your articles and insiders to back up your points? We have to use insiders! You can't use vague speculation!!!

I already referenced the Lindholm trade, I'm not sure why you're repeating that one when it goes against your point entirely. Stone was over 5 years ago, long before the Flat Cap Era. That's hardly relevant to the modern NHL. I used examples from within the last two years.

Spongebob text is designed to be mocking. You rejected my evidence and comparisons because they proved your opinion untrue. Your rejection had no counterpoint to reinforce your opinion, you said only no. Back up your point with evidence. Contradict my evidence with evidence of your own.

I have not made anything up, I've provided sources and comparisons — items you requested specifically and haven't been able to reproduce yourself. If you hold someone to a certain standard in a debate, you match that standard, too.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 6 at 4:19 p.m.