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Forum: Armchair-GM5 hours ago
Thread: Tweaks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aedoran</b></div><div>I get what you are saying but Smith was on the 2nd line with Malkin through the first week of March. During that period Malkin was in on 14 of his 21 even strength points and Smith added another 8 points on the pp. After that Smith put up 10 points and 0 pp points. I noticed he missed 4 games directly in-between but I don't know why he wasn't on the injured list. But something happened that moved him off the 2nd line and cut his pp time. Without Malkin or a center of his skill I think he will be hard pressed put up 40 points. Especially if he's in the bottom 6 getting less than 16 min a game. Do you think Dubas retains 50% for less than a 2nd? Personally I don't see him retaining on Smith even for a 2nd.

For Detroit specifically, I don't see Yzerman bridging either Seider or Raymond so Detroit is going to have limited cap space to work with. I think resigning Perron makes a lot more sense than trading for Smith.</div></div>

you are putting a lot of credit on a 37 year old Malkin.
Between the two of them if one has slowed down it's Malkin.

You could make the exact argument the other direction. That it's Malkin who slowed Smith down.

For the record, Smith was injured multiple times this year. He started off hot till he got hurt. He never came back the same. If he didn't get hurt there, who knows what those point totals would be.
As far as not being on the PP, it was an ineffective bottom of the league unity. Who were they going to move off it, Crosby? Malkin? Letang? EK? I mean there are only so many piece they can get away with moving to try to jump start it. Smith was one of them.

I don't see Dubas retaining on him at all to be honest. However, that's not guarantee that it doesn't happen. But lets be clear, the hold up with him getting trade last year to LA with no retention was term, as LA didn't have the cap going forward. There is no term involved this time.

It's not like teams aren't interested, they are. The Guentzel trade basically got in the way of everything else when it came to moving Smith last year. If not he may have been moved. But they weren't going to move Smith before due to leverage and that trade went to the wire.

I'm not going to claim that DET is the place Smith will go. That's really not the point I'm trying to make here. Just more the point that if people think Smith is some immovable piece they are far off course.
Anyone looking at bringing in DeBrusk probably has one eye on what it takes to get Smith. Because of that I don't think the cap is that big of an issue because they would have paid more for DeBrusk most likely. Smith comes with no real long term risk. The question is what is the value on the trade. I put it between a 3rd and a 4th. Which isn't all that much and basically what the penguins paid to get him. To think they will get more than what they paid for him, is really pushing your luck. He'd only be worth that with retention as teams would be paying the retention on top of the 3rd-4th value.
Forum: Armchair-GM8 hours ago
Thread: Jarry CAR Idea
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>Andersen was forced to play hurt in Toronto and he left because they liked Campbell... he's played behind a Canes D that isn't flawless and has been one of the best in the league. The career stats say Andersen is better. The analytics say Andersen is better. The only thing you've given me is all-star games and "Trust me, if he had that defense, he'd be good". Has it occurred to you that Andersen was WHY Carolina's defensive record was so great down the stretch? Carolina were far from great defensively this year, but you're acting like Pittsburgh didn't have an NHL caliber defense, they did. Jarry sucked anyway. Andersen is UNDENIABLY clear right now</div></div>

this is where the conversation is done. "pittsbugh didn't have an NHL caliber defense." Nope they didn't. End of story there. That 3rd pairing was awful all year long. EK does not play defense and Letang makes bad decisions all the time. Most people would say Graves struggled. He had 1 guy in MP worth a damn in front of him who could consistently play in his own end.
Now compare........
have fun,
Forum: Armchair-GM9 hours ago
Thread: Jarry CAR Idea
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>What...? That Toronto defense was worse than Pittsburghs and Freddie was still a .917-.918 goalie... what are you talking about? Freddie clears Jarry, by career stats. You want to talk about defense, fine. Let's look at goals saved above expected and take everything else out of it.

Jarry 2.6
Andersen 12.2

That's according to money puck, even if their model is a little off, Freddie DOMINATES Jarry, especially at this point of Jarry's career when he's struggled for so long. You keep saying Jarry made an all-star game like that's an achievement, Freddie was the 2nd best goalie in the league 3 years ago and didn't even end up as a Vezina finalist because Canes players just do not get recognition, so let's use something less subjective. The stats favor Andersen, the analytics favor Andersen. This isn't homerism, it's pure fact. If YOU are too much of a homer to see that, it's your problem</div></div>

TOR had a far better defense in front of him than PIT had in Jarry, this isn't even debatable.
You know how bad a defense has to be to be starting both Jack Johnson and Gudbranson at the same time.
Please, sit down.
You are looking foolish.

Andersen was chased out of TOR because the team around him was good and he was bleeding goals. The only expected goal he had was the one going in the net behind him.
He has never been the 2nd best goalie at anything other than being the number 1 goalie BOS loved to see in net.

But keep on the pure homerism.
Believe me if Jarry had that defense in front of him his numbers would be far better than Andersen. Instead he's had a career of scrubs in front of him.
Forum: Armchair-GM10 hours ago
Thread: Jarry CAR Idea
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>So you claim the defense is the difference maker here? Lucky enough, we have a comparable for both goaltenders in Nedeljkovic. Ned played behind this Canes D core and was worse than Andersen, AND Ned put up a comparable total this year to what Jarry did. With that horrible Toronto defense, Andersen was still a .918. Andersen's proven to be more consistent than jarry, regardless of the defense in front of him.</div></div>

that means absolutely nothing and is not a comparable.
You are just reaching here. Again, what has anderson done with a defense like Jarry had in front of him..... nothing!
He was an all start with a defense that had Jack Johnson, Gudbranson, and Schultz in front of him. FFS anderson in his whole career never had a defense that bad in front of him, let alone played at an all star level with the level of defense.
But you keep wanting to drone on.
You think because a goalie had 1 season with 1 team it is comparable to 1 season with another. It's not. It means absolutely nothing.
If anything Ned's and Jarry's numbers being very similar should tell you something about how bad the defense was in front of both of them.

But keep going on telling me how a guy who had Ruhwedel, POJ, Shea, Ivany, coupled with bad defensive play from both EK and Letang, somehow is equal to a guy playing with Pesce, Skjei, Chatfield, Slavin, and Orlov in front of him.
I mean really. come off you little pedestal there homer.

Your guy couldn't win $#!t without that defense in front of him, let alone be nominated as an allstar. Meanwhile Jarry has proven he can stand on his head with basically nothing in front of him.
Those are just facts.
You can be delusional all you want but you damn well know that defense in front of jarry, and Andersen doesn't go to an all star game. But Jarry did. Period. He's the better goalie.
Forum: Armchair-GM12 hours ago
Thread: Tweaks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>the same people who are looking at DeBrusk are also looking at Smith. Who might cost a 3rd or something, but it's less risk and easier on their cap than DeBrusk with term.

Not to mention with retention it's a steal. Even if he only reaches 40 points again this year. a 40 pt winger at 2.5 as a rental is a steal.
It would be a different story if he had multiple years left, but he doesn't.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DanielSan92</b></div><div>I’m sure you don’t mind let him riding out his last year, because he damn sure ain’t returning a 2nd lol.</div></div>

you clearly can't read. I've clearly said a 3rd or something, hell maybe it's a 4th.
It doesn't really matter. Those picks have virtually no value the 15% chance a player in the 3rd round plays even 100 games in the NHL... whooopie......

Not that 2nd round picks have such greater odds, the whooping 25% chance. to hit 200 games.

I mean honestly a bit high and mighty on yourself there don't you think?

Got nothing to comment on the fact that I'm right about the whole FA class coming out. That teams don't really view 33 as some untouchable age.
Fact that teams out there are signing guys even older..... including after coming off surgery.

But you know.... Smith blah blah.... don't expect a 2nd........

pathetic.
Forum: Armchair-GM13 hours ago
Thread: Jarry CAR Idea
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>Andersen's clotting issue doesn't take away from his ability. Jarry had a .903 this season. Freddie had a .932. How on EARTH is Jarry an upgrade?</div></div>

great, now lets swap the defense in front of him and see how that number holds.

Tell me what year did Andersen make the all star game when he was in TOR with that horrible defense in front of him... yeah never.
But imagine that, Jarry made all star games with Jack Johnson and Gudbranson in front of him.
F off with he's a better goalie and your non sense.

You hide a half assed goalie who couldn't win a damn thing in TOR because he coughed up goals left and right behind one of the best defense in the entire league and think he's a good goalie......
What a homer.
Let me know when he can make that all star game with the level of defense Jarry had in front of him.
Forum: Armchair-GM13 hours ago
Thread: Tweaks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DanielSan92</b></div><div>So a player who has a longer career ahead of him is worth more as a pending UFA than a guy in his mid 30s?!

Nah bro. Can’t be possible.

Reilly is so good PIT fans are incessantly trying to dump him lol</div></div>

You realize DeBrusk's history in BOS right? Struggling inconsistant player who can't seem to put it together. Even this year was a disappointing year.
But go ahead and tell me how signing an inconsistant soon to be 28 year old player, is "having his career in front of him."
All NHL stats projections show he's peeked at his age.
But go ahead sign that long term, see how that works out. Just like a lot of other UFA out there that are 29-30 years old and want longer term deals like Domi, or Bertuzzi, or Mantha.

Fact is a 33 year old rental isn't a bad option in this FA class. It's much better than getting wrapped up in term on a lot of these guys. Who are all going to want signed to 35.
But hey, if 33 is bad what do contracts till 35 say?

I honestly don't care about "dumping" Smith. I'm ok if he finishes his contract in PIT. It's a 1 year deal. He's in a contract year so you'll know he'll play hard if he wants to be playing next year.
None of that is a bad bet for a team making a trade.

But keep thinking there are some great options out there. all your "career ahead of him" FA aren't that. and 33 isn't "mid 30s.
There are many guys still playing at 33 and playing fairly decently. Wheels don't really start coming off guys till 35.
That's when you see guys dropping out the league.
There are 41 players in the league at 33-34 years old
https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/active?stats-season=2024&amp;limits=age-33-34

So lets not pretend teams aren't playing them or it's odd. Many of them still hold significant roles on their teams.

Taking on a 1 year guy at that age is no big deal, if you have a better fit for him.
But hey, a team that went out and signed a 35 year old Kane after hip surgery, clearly will be put off by a 33 year old age...... give me a break.