very tempting

Do we need to add the extra picks?

Love Foegele's story

Based on my valuation of Bahl=very late 2nd, and NJD pick next year as approximately middle of the 2nd, would value Fehevary = to about 18th overall.
Based on my valuation of clarke at a mid/late 3rd, that would be valuing Colton =to about 27th-31st overall (depending on where Colorados pick this year ends up)

These are good ideas but it doesn’t really address the goaltending issues. Really should prioritize that.

Goaltending is very flukey. We'd be paying a lot of money and assets to get a goalie who is still likely a lottery ticket

I'd say that by going from Vitek to Allen+Kahkonen, NJD already improved the goaltending significantly. And Schmid+Daws available.

Additionally, building structure will make the goalie's life easy. adding Fehevary and getting Hamilton back, another year of development from Luke and Nemec, and bounce backs from Marino and Siegenthaler will do wonders for making the goalies job more similar to 22-23 than it was last year.

#10 = #17 + #29
#10 - #17 = #29
Bahl + #29 = Fehervary
Bahl + (#10 - #17) = Fehervary
Bahl + #10 = Fehervary + #17

#17 = #26 + #37
#17 - #26 = #37
Clarke + #37 = Colton
Clarke + (#17 - #26) = Colton
Clarke + #17 = Colton + #26

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I don't think 29th+Bahl would be enough, but would be more than happy if it was.

Colton deal I think you could potentially drop the secondary pick

Would hope we keep our overall number of picks

So even if we can't drop, we could get some late ones back.

That could certainly be a possibility to add on

Pretty much all the teams in the playoffs who don’t have a top tier goalie are struggling to win

Still a lot of what if’s. What if Seigs and Marino are what they are. What if Hughes and Nemec don’t take that big step. What if Dougie gets hurt again

But which goalies are sure bets to perform at a high level? You need great goaltending to win yes, but a high pedigree goalie does not guarantee great goaltending.

Connor Hellebuyuck is going to win the vezina and he **** the bed come playoff time.

The only 2 goalies carrying are Shesterkin and Swayman. If either of those goaltenders come available, let me know.

If we have worst case scenario for every member of our Dcore, then it would be even more imperative to bring in a quality shutdown LHD like Fehevary. And if we instead spend those assets on a goalie, it wouldn't matter who's in net because we'd be giving up too many chances against

I'd throw back the same scenario

If Miller and Schneider don't improve?

If Trouba and Lindgren don't bounce back

If Fox gets hurt.

If everything goes wrong and is worst case scenario, yes things will be unideal.

KAM and Schneider have been pretty much getting better little by little every year

Lindgren had a down year and Trouba has been demoted to bottom pair where he belongs

Fox did get hurt and re-injured now in the playoffs

Yet the rangers still won president cup and 7-1 in the playoffs

Sure Hellebuyck pooped the bed, but I’d blame the team in front of him or coaching staff for getting ran out of the building by the Avs offense

Devils could very well face the same problems Edmonton and Carolina have year after year. Falling short and things would probably be different if they had a bit better goaltending

If Igor Shesterkin comes available let us know. Fox missed 10 games.

Or they could look like Vegas or Colorado if they build a good enough team around their goalies.

That's a no from the Avs imo.

Yea and that’s 10 games they probably could have went 0-10 or below .500. Not to mention, a knee injury doesn’t just go away until the off-season so he still isn’t 100%

Since the Caps won in 2017-18, Stanley Cup winners had elite level goaltending in the playoffs

Only the Avs 2 years ago won with average goaltending

Adin Hill was acquired for a 4th round pick.

Matt Murray came out of nowhere.

Crawford wasn't anything special.

Tim Thomas came out in his 30s after being mediocre in europe.

Again, yes you need good goaltending. But that goaltending doesn't necessarily come from a high pedigree guy.


Vegas went into the season they won the cup with Adin Hill and Logan Thompson as their goalies. They had a combined 80 career starts under their belt.

If you try and tell me that the Vegas Golden Knights goalie situation of castoff Hill, 26 year old AHLer LT, and injured broissoit would be a better situation than Kahkonen, Daws, Schmid, and Allen. You are LYING.

It was a bunch of guys older than 25 none of whom had EVER started more than 21 games in a season. But hey, revisionist history works wonders.

Sure, it's impossible to win with bad goaltending if you retroactively call the cup winners goaltending situations good after the fact

You still need goalies to put up .915 save % or better to have a better probability of winning the cup. Could say Vegas got lucky Hill put up a random .932 save %

Sure the Devils can roll out Kahkonen and Allen, but don’t be surprised if they don’t last 4 round in the playoffs. But if the Devils out-score their problems, then I’d be wrong as well

My philosophy is there is very few goalies I can really trust. Most are a basic crapshoot. Igor Shesterkin is one of those few goalies. If he was out there, I'd pay the moon for him.

But other than that, I'd rather build a roster that will be as good as possible for as long as possible, and then try to fill the goalie in afterwards.

-If you find a Swayman or a Shesterkin type in the late rounds like so often happens, fantastic!!
-if you can ride a hot goalie who's otherwise mediocre, fantastic!!
-If you have to buy short term fixes like Colorado did to fill those gaps in and it gets you the success you need, fantastic!!

But no matter how high caliber a goalie you buy, It really doesn't guarantee top tier goaltending. Has it really ever worked, besides Roy, a top 3 goalie of all time?

Heck, Detroit tried to buy Hasek after he won 6 vezina's in 8 years and it didn't work.

Cory Schneider was about as high caliber, perfect aged goalie as you can get. 1st in SV%, 1st in GAA. 3 years of incredible play later and injuries still caught up to him at age 30.