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Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 5:23 p.m.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsWed. at 1:16 p.m.
Thread: Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oneX</b></div><div>You can view it as Marner hate or choose to accept that in the 7-8 years of Matthews, Marner and Nylander (JT too since he has a big cap hit) have not worked when it really matters.

I want Marner traded as long as it works for the team but as of right now Marner has all the leverage and so as much as I would like to see change via a Marner trade, it's not looking good.

Also for those who think that people are picking on Marner when the failures in the playoffs is a collective failure and not just on Marner, that's fine I can accept that but Marner is set to be a UFA soon so it's natural to see/want change there.

Let me ask you guys...if not Marner, then who? Tavares? Sure as long as he's willing to help the Leafs.

Nylander? Certainly not Matthews right?

How many more years of running this core back before we can call it insanity? It's a serious question, not just poking fun at anyone.</div></div>

In general its not Marner hate its the fact between the 4

Matthew and Willy just extended and are not going anywhere

JT is gonna cost assets to move and has a family with kids here he aint gonna waive

Moving Morgan Rielly is not gonna move the needle and he's about to have a family here. Also is arguably the one true captain of the TML and other than the BOS series shows up more for playoffs last 2 years

That leaves Marner whose last negotiations left a sour taste in peoples mouths and the last thing fans want is another repeat or to hear this BS throughout the year and I doubt Brad wants Gaudreau 2.0 to happen. Ignoring that he's the one whose also go the value in trade compared and can get actual proper value for us


In general though as you said multiple years of failure and poor performances by mainly him compared to the others has made it clear 3 players making double digits does not work and if nothing changes were gonna have 4 guys

You just cant build a SC winning team like that 6 years have taught us that


The era of change cant just be the same **** we have seen year after year where u just try to build around them but this time with a new HC. Play hardball with him and make his life miserable if you have to in order to get a trade going

Idc if its dirty play make it clear times be changing and were not gonna bend over backwards for em anymore
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsTue. at 7:35 p.m.
Thread: Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>This is such a horrible take. We still have no idea what lies in store for Boucher. This Marner hate is just ridiculous, <strong>what does this team benefit by trading him</strong>? Just ride out the last year of JTs deal, this isn't the end of the world. Marner is the second best player on this team. Trading him would be a ginormous mistake. Can the team benefit from trading away Mitch? Absolutely, but does trading away Mitcth guarantee we will be better? Not even remotely. In fact, it's more likely we become significantly worse. There are ways to build out this roster even with Mitch.</div></div>

Cap flexibility to build a proper contender

Have we not figured this out 3 guys making double digits does not work and come next year unless something changes were gonna have 4

53% of our Cap is gonna be spend on 4 forwards.

We have enough of a sample for Marner to know he get yah to the playoffs but then fumbles in the big moments especially when things get physical

BOS series last season, FLA series, MTL series, CBJ series all taught us that


Trading him would not be a ginormous mistake thats the bad take here. Were so scared of change we would rather keep these guys and give them big fat contracts then try and trade them and explore something new

No no change is bad lets keep everyone around and give them more money despite the results

We are ****ED

As letting him play out this season and walk for nothing is what not to do 101 and after the Gaudreau situation Brad cannot let that happen again. He and the organization need to put pressure on Marner and his camp he does not want to waive fine have fun in the pressbox
Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 1:48 a.m.
Thread: Enough of this Tomfoolery
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMBL</b></div><div>Norris is injury prone, so that might be why they would likely want to keep Greig and he's someone who can help them now on a cheap deal. They know what they have with him, so better off giving something else than trying to replace him. They are probably drafting a RH defender and not a forward with the 7th OV , although if they get Lindstrom it's probably to replace Norris down the line if need be.

Also, they'll try to give the least possible, especially to their division rivals, Batherson + Chychrun is already plenty which will be required to get Marner but they aren't trying to build the Leafs' team. I could be wrong but that's just the way I see it, they are getting Liljgren so maybe they would be open to that. Staois also seems like the guy to take his time especially since he's new vs Dorion or McPhee/McCrimmon.</div></div>

There arent many RD worth being up there in the top 10 as u dont want another Boucher situation but who knows with them lul

Its tricky but as I said I think with Brady's comments, the teams wanting to get to the playoffs, and TOR desire for change something's there and it would not surprise me if we see something like I suggested

As we have seen before to try and promote change OTT has not been scared to gamble
Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 1:29 a.m.
Thread: Enough of this Tomfoolery
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMBL</b></div><div>There has been reports or rumors that OTT wouldn't is trying to move one of Chychrun or Chabot which makes sense and I wouldn't be surprised if they are looking to move Norris. They probably would absolutely have interest in Marner and could be wiling to give up Batherson, but I don't see why they would also give Greig. It'll be two roster players for two roster players and some futures to balance things out. It could perhaps be Chychrun + Greig too instead as the main pieces but the 3 for Marner + Liljegren is almost too perfect for the Leafs, the only way it could be better is if Chychrun was RH'ed. OTT gets the best player in the deal and a RHD that they need but he hasn't proven he could be a top 4D yet so it's not like he's a perfect fit for them to give up an extra roster player that brings some value.

I think Vegas is the best chance for the Leafs to get a D+F combo if they are willing to move Theodore. It will likely turn out better for the Leafs (but also a lot better for Vegas) even if they are getting Theodore + Roy instead of Theodore+Karlsson.</div></div>

I think if you can get a sign and trade you could probs get Greig + Batherson and Chycrun for Marner (with ext) + Liligren and if absolutely necessary u throw in some guys rights u dont have plans for like SDA or something.

IMO even with Greig included I think its a win/win

As imagine

Tkachuck-Norris-Marner
Stutzle-Pinto-Giroux

Thats a solid top 6 for OTT

It kind of is like the

Schwidt + Huberdeau + Weegar for Tkachuck like deal

He came in a sign and trade and FLA basically gave up a nice prospect and at the time 2 nice roster players one of which also had 100 points lul

In this example OTT yes gives up something better than Schwidt but gets Liligren

I think with Bradey's comments OTT may bite the bullet. As if they draft Lindstrom this year anyway u can argue Greig's expendable

If not there are always backup options like VGK

As for what I would want if they want matching salary

Howden + Roy + Theodore or Whitecloud + Theodore + Roy I would be fine with
Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 12:16 a.m.
Thread: Enough of this Tomfoolery
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMBL</b></div><div>What I meant about not rushing is more so locking in two top 4 UFA D. Signing one and getting one via trade (or waiting next year for another FA signing) is definitely the way to go. Timmins hasn't really had much of a chance but I don't mind moving off him if they get a legitimate top 4 offensive threat like Chychrun but I don't think you're getting a guy like that except via trade. Replacing him with Rifai for cap reasons is fine as well, but only if it's needed. There is Montour in FA but getting stuck in that contract is probably not worth it, getting their defensive anchor from FA is more likely to work out better.

As for the Marner to OTT trade, don't think Ottawa includes Greig in that trade so it's perhaps a close to ideal trade return for Marner but don't think it's realistic.</div></div>

Apparently OTT is looking to do a big splash on par with what we saw between FLA and CGY and its been something heard form Friedman and reporters who follow OTT closely and when we see how OTT been, new ownership, etc it makes sense.

I think if its a deal for a 90-100 point guy they can slot with Stuzle and Tkachuck I think they would not mind losing Greig as its not like he's Pinto or Stutle

As if we think about it Marner replaces his PK and they have Pinto, Stutzle, and Norris as their top 9 C's

If they can get a sign and traded Marner and Liligren they would be more open to include Greig

Plus they have the 7th OA and 25 OA pick this year anyway can always draft a C to replace him such as Cayden Lindstrom


If not OTT there is another team and its in the Pacific and likes its big toyz

VGK


And when you look at their history Marners up there

Trade for Patches, Stone, Eichel and apparently were 1 pick away from EK

In FA they signed guys like Pietrangelo

They lost R1 after going all in and Marner screams okay **** it we try again lul
Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 11:44 p.m.
Thread: Enough of this Tomfoolery
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMBL</b></div><div>Would rather the Leafs draft in the first round unless the available talent at 24 OV on defense is similar to what they can get in the 2nd round. I like the idea of getting Gustavsson but I don't think Minnesota is going to be willing to take on Liljegren as he's arb eligible which could complicate their cap situation. If they are or if Robertson+ works then I would be for it. Alternatively, going for Talbot or Brossoit in FA would be a decent move if they can get them on a very cheap 2-year deal or a 1-year deal.

I do think Liljegren will get traded but it might not be right away. Personally, I would hope that they don't rush to fill the top 4 D spots with the best available UFAs. The Leafs absolutely need at least one UFA to replace Brodie but getting two guys just boxes them in and they'll likely still need defensive upgrades. This year is the year to get the defensively responsible top 4 D, next year FA would be the year to get the one with offensive upside. Of course, if they can acquire someone via trade that would be great too. They could maybe sign someone like Tanev on a short-term deal in addition to their big UFA signing, and maybe bring back Klingberg on a cheap deal, and keep Timmins since they'll need someone to move the puck. I would hate if they brought Edmundson back either on a cheap short-term deal. So maybe they could start the season with something like:

Rielly - Roy
McCabe - Benoit/Klingberg/Timmins
Edmundson - Liljegren

If an opportunity arises to acquire someone with Liljegren+ like Chychrun for example that has offensive upside, that would push Benoit/Klingberg/Timmins to the 3rd pairing which would not be that bad.

With Tanev instead of Edmundson the season-opening roster would probably look more like this:

Rielly - Roy
McCabe - Tanev
Benoit - Liljegren/Klingberg/Timmins

Leafs should be aiming to have a D-Core that is clearly better than their 2021-22 one that featured Rielly, Brodie, Muzzin, Giordano, Lybushkin, and the inexperienced pair of Liljegren and Sandin. Roy would be similar to Brodie (maybe a better fit for Rielly but I think 1 to 1 not as good), McCabe would be a the lesser version of Rielly, Walker the offensive version of Holl (decent bottom pairing guy that can be utilized on special teams that's forced into the top 4), Benoit would be a less experienced but more mobile version of Giordano, and Korczak is probably the next Liljegren/Sandin come playoff time that will get replaced by a TDL acquisition. At the time, a lot of people were saying that the Leafs were missing another top 2-D man, and I would agree that they needed another top-2 Dman or reliable top-4 Dman that can contribute offensively.

The year after they can try acquiring Rasmus Andersson who would probably be easier to get or if someone like Theodore makes it to free agency maybe they could squeeze him in. The bottom fix could also be addressed if need with someone like Scott Laughton at 3C if he's not traded this year. Patience is going to be key to the Leafs successfully re-shaping their team.</div></div>

Keeping Timmins is a no. Guys run his course here and its time to move on. He had 1 decent showing then meh. Rafai and that guy they brought from Europe can do the same at less cost.

And I argue you do need to rush things a bit. This is arguably a make or break offseason to start the era of change and for this team to finally make some noise and not just be regular season wonders. They got a 4 year window its go time

Cause while Matthews did extend times ticking to where if nothing changes by 2027 he may ask to be moved

As for Chycrun there is a way to do it heck involving more pieces.

If both sides are willing to bite the bullet there is a trade that can help TOR and OTT

Greig + Batherson + Chycrun for Marner + Liligren

TOR gets 2 forwards to replace aspects of Marner's game and a top 4 Dman who can shift Rielly to PP unit 2
Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 11:29 p.m.
Thread: Enough of this Tomfoolery
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>You mean a near carbon copy of the bottom 6 we just used for an entire season? Dewars presence on the 4th line was a much needed surge and the kid 3rd line has it all. If you look back at the 2023 2024 season and conclude that our forward group was the issue, I've got it things to say:

1. You're straight up wrong
2. Look at teams like Boston. It's not about having elite talent all the way down the lineup, it's about having players that buy into your system.

This blueline is 100x better than what we iced this year. Roy would be the best partner Rielly has ever had. Walker would help our PK immensely in lieu of Brodies departure while also giving us some much needed offense. No idea why you think Vegas says no, Robertson is the best player in the trade and Korczak has no role on that roster as a young righty with no waiver exemption. I can see an argument against trading for Gus, but he's easily the best available option. Regardless, Liljegren will be traded (which I don't agree with, but it's going to happen).

There is no reason to move Mitch. I've had a lot of fun speculating and indulging myself with the large amount of cap space we'd get by trading him, but it simply makes no sense. The oldest member of the core 4 has one year left. Why would we trade our second best player to alleviate our cap situation when it'll resolve itself in one season? Ride out the precious ELCs of Knies and Cowan as well as Wolls crazy good contract. Mitch Marner isn't a player you trade just to make a move. He's a legitimate superstar and a huge part of this team's success.

Guys like Holmberg, Cowan, Knies, McMann, and Dewar are going to be real good under Berube. Holmberg is literally the exact kind of player we've needed for years. Cowan is extremely dynamic and fast, Knies is a beast, McMann is an excellent forechecker, and Dewar is a workhorse. They aren't the flashiest bunch of forwards, but they are really good. Better than you seem to think anyways.</div></div>

Only upgrade is the blue line but as I told yah 1000x over VGK will move Whitecloud over Korczak for cap reasons. If he's that cheap why would they be stupid and trade him when they can just move Whitecloud making 2.75m and whose 27 lul.

And as me and others have told yah on the other forms bottom 6 also not good enough

If we thought we had scoring problems this is just adding to it. Cowen coming wont change that lul

And there is a reason to move Mitch the<strong> bottom 6 lul </strong>

If we think Leafs are gonna do anything with that oh boy were even more screwed then we realize. Were gonna get to the playoffs and they gonna fall short thanks to it

We got 4 years to win a cup and this teams just gonna waste one of them

Move Marner better balance everything as keeping him and letting him walk is dumb and extending him is just entering the insane asylum

He's not gonna figure it out with a new HC lul, he's had years to do it with 2 different guys, this is him he gets yah to the playoffs and then when things get physical struggles

Berube wont like that


Look at teams who won the cup and look at their 3rd lines
TBL

Goodrow-Gourde-Coleman

VGK

Smith-Karlsson-Amadio

AVS

Newhook-Compher-O'Connor

Cowen-Holmberg-McMann aint anything close

And dont use BOS example as their B6 showed they can get to R2 then get beatup by a better B6 lul


To win teams need balance look at FLA and EDM balanced not top heavy lines

If TOR goes into next season with 4 guys in double digits eating a way at their cap space were once again gonna go no where. 9 years should have taught us that you cant win with 3 guys in double digits and if nothing changes were gonna add another