The guy is terrible infront of a mic, no denying that. I also read that and thought "Mitch, SHUT UP" because he has a habit of saying the wrong thing. But the intent behind this particular statement is pretty clear, even if he chose his words poorly.

You're getting way too worked up over one word within a statement.

The guy is terrible infront of a mic, no denying that. I also read that and thought "Mitch, SHUT UP" because he has a habit of saying the wrong thing. But the intent behind this particular statement is pretty clear, even if he chose his words poorly.

Yah that’s fair enough, it’s just there’s so many reasons to trade this guy and it feels like this is tossing another one onto the pile

The guy is terrible infront of a mic, no denying that. I also read that and thought "Mitch, SHUT UP" because he has a habit of saying the wrong thing. But the intent behind this particular statement is pretty clear, even if he chose his words poorly.

It was a deliberate statement. No Mitch, no one is worshiping you. You are just a hockey player, people love the team and want to see a winner and those players will be legendary but you are not being worshiped. That is a clear window into how he perceives himself. It makes how he gets all ****y with the media more understandable. It also makes it clear that he has to go.

Yup - trade him for John Kordic.

Full disclosure I had to google Kordic.

Now I don't want to trade him for nothing but he has to move.

Larry Murphy might be a better analogy. But he was traded for future considerations and I don't even know who it turned into.

Murphy was brought into Toronto as a 16 to 18 minute offensive defenceman. I forget if it was injury or trades, but he, as an aging defenceman, was asked to log 22+ minutes and as shut-down guy and fans got on him as he was too old to fit that role.
Traded to Detroit, he anchored their PP to 2 cups in 3 years.

Yah but it just gives off this attitude that he’s above everyone else. It’s not the end of the world but it’s a really bad look

You're getting way too worked up over one word within a statement.

Questions:

1) Marner + Lili + Robo for Clarke + PLD. Do you accept?

2) Should Tavares be traded?

3) Should Rielly be traded?

4) Would you move Nylander if nobody else waives?

Questions:

1) Marner + Lili + Robo for Clarke + PLD. Do you accept?

2) Should Tavares be traded?

3) Should Rielly be traded?

4) Would you move Nylander if nobody else waives?

I would prefer a better deal but if that is the best on that table then we take it. Marner is gone. PLD on the wing could get a new lease on life. His underlying numbers in Winnipeg were strong and even in LA his passing was elite. Him with Matthews could be interesting.

Tavares stays and signs low long-term.

Rielly is the heart of the team, he should get the C.

Yes. But first sit Marner in the press box and force him out.

Questions:

1) Marner + Lili + Robo for Clarke + PLD. Do you accept?

2) Should Tavares be traded?

3) Should Rielly be traded?

4) Would you move Nylander if nobody else waives?

Larry Murphy might be a better analogy. But he was traded for future considerations and I don't even know who it turned into.

Murphy was brought into Toronto as a 16 to 18 minute offensive defenceman. I forget if it was injury or trades, but he, as an aging defenceman, was asked to log 22+ minutes and as shut-down guy and fans got on him as he was too old to fit that role.
Traded to Detroit, he anchored their PP to 2 cups in 3 years.

Questions:

1) Marner + Lili + Robo for Clarke + PLD. Do you accept?

2) Should Tavares be traded?

3) Should Rielly be traded?

4) Would you move Nylander if nobody else waives?

LAK reject as sure get out of PLD but at cost of Clarke they go nah. Can just buy out PLD for almost no cap hit

Tavares wont waive and it will cost assets to move him

Rielly will never waive he's been here the longest and lets be real is the true captain of TML

Nylander just extended and we know he aint moving either

If nobody agrees teams just gonna chill till next year then make its moves the following. Sure it means losing 1 or 2 guys for nothing but cap space is nice

Heck u want a story of people forcing a guy away in recent years

Kadri

People thought he was just a liability in the playoffs and forced him out and while in COL he proved that right the first time towards the end he won the cup and scored a game winner vs. TBL

Got the last laugh in the end

That trade still goes down as one of the worst and while we almost came away with Bennett and Brodie before I still feel TOR should have been more patient as I feel it was rushed and they came out with 50 cents to the dollar

I would prefer a better deal but if that is the best on that table then we take it. Marner is gone. PLD on the wing could get a new lease on life. His underlying numbers in Winnipeg were strong and even in LA his passing was elite. Him with Matthews could be interesting.

Tavares stays and signs low long-term.

Rielly is the heart of the team, he should get the C.

Yes. But first sit Marner in the press box and force him out.

Sure but there's a saying why have one toy to work with when you can have 3.

Could be a prime chance for anyone as imagine they turn them into well oiled machines for both regular season and playoffs and win some rounds

A statue's going in front of Scotiabank thats for sure lul

Now again could their also be change via trades of one of them also sure but who knows rn. There are multiple routes to go about it lets see

LoL... "better than Willy" because that's some kind of bar..

Take all of Matthews performances and need to up them quite a bit because so far, whatever he's done hasn't been enough to push this team to levels that required to win the Stanley Cup.

If we can agree that Matthews is the best player on the team and the bar is "well he was better than Nylander" then yeah this team ain't winning ****.

Oh I will, when he is the one that made the mistake. But that play is not on him. Rielly and Samsonov shoulder the blame there. Not Marner.

Other things he did definitely deserve scrutiny but certainly not that. It's the same as blaming him for a goal against after a line change when everyone was in good position but mistakes by those players resulted in a goal. The guy wasn't even on the ice.

For the OT winner, had Marner chased pasta, pasta could have back handed it to the point where no one was now defending and the leafs would have been out of position and chasing the play. Who knows what could have happened but in that instance, a dump in from centre to that corner is the defencemans responsibility. Rielly hesitated for a second and changed directions. (Hence why I think he expected the puck to go behind the net). It hits the stanchion and bounces to Pasta who Rielly should have been closer too by then. Samsonov drops to his knees and hugs the post and didn't move until pasta was nearly at the far post.

Samsonov lost focus on that play. He should have stopped it.

It's the picture perfect play as to why he never should have been given the number 1 role. The guy makes saves he has no business making sometimes and that excites people. But then goal 1 and 2 happen. The first goal he was just out of position and the puck went in. If he was square to the shooter it hits him. Woll would have stopped that. Woll would have challenged pasta and either poke checked or slid over in time.

Samsonov I would say cost us more than anyone else apart from Keefe.

And really, anyone expecting high scoring games was ridiculous. Boston doesn't let in much. They defend better than almost every other team. To beat them you have to do exactly what Florida did. Pressure them and force some odd man rushes. Which TO did rarely but look at their goals, most of which were transition plays. Off the cycle they had nothing. But Keefe stuck to that system. Take it up ice, get it into their zone and then maintain possession and cycle until they make a mistake. Well Boston just didn't make any. And their goalie was awesome. Boston didn't make it easy and we Keefe made it easier on them by not adjusting to what they were doing.

As I keep saying, I am not opposed to trading Marner if you get good value. I say this because while it can't be denied he's a world class player, I am not sure he has the mental fortitude to handle TO. So would I trade him? Yes, if I got fair value for him.

If the best we can do is Parayko or some other 2nd pair defenceman who's already 30 years old and signed for another 6 years, then it's stupid to trade him. And you can't let him walk. So if no good trade comes to fruition then you keep him and hope a new coach can employ a better system that provides some offence in the playoffs.

I mean we have seen it time and time again these guys are idolized here

Look at Kawhi to stay TOR restaurants were offering free food for life and an expensive apartment offered him a penthouse suite

In TOR some people are calling Matthews the best hockey player alive rn forgetting McDavid is a few provinces over

We can deny it but its not wrong

The media and the fans can often go overboard with their view of things.

Kadri got the last laugh and Brind'Amour defended Anderson when he left and went to the Canes.

Heck even Tkachucks made a comment on it from both sides

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmo0BRoyvjw&ab_channel=JohnnyHawkey

While I aint excusing Marners playoffs it seems to be a thing seen time and time again in all TOR sports teams or most Canadian teams in general

IMO, they all should have done better... But Marner's making Rielly+Sammy's money, and if you replace Marner's spot with Knies/Robertson/Gregor, they stop it...

And if Marner chased Pasta... It would have allowed the other 4 to have gotten back, if they score after that, different story... But that's something that we see all the time with him...

Most NHL goals are caused from multiple people making mistakes... Like not picking up your man, or an offensive zone turnover at the Ozone blue line then making a lazy change