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Forum: Armchair-GMSat. at 12:49 a.m.
Thread: TBL offseason moves v5
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tjm220</b></div><div>Well, speaking as a Sabres fan they already have Thompson and Cozens as their top two Centers. Both of them make $7 million a year. Even if you’re going to use Cirelli as a number two center it means one of them is a $7 million third line Center. Not exactly a great use of capital. The third line guy who doesn’t get a lot of power play time will not see much in his numbers. Even if he’s getting Selke votes, if he’s only putting up 30 to 40 points, it’ll be hard to justify paying that much unless the cap goes up to $100 million. I’m not saying it’s right, but there were fans who got on Michael Peca‘s case while he was here for not putting up bigger numbers. And that’s the type of player we really need, a physical face off winner. I see Cirelli as a more skilled speed guy, like Most of Tampa’s roster. But he doesn’t put up the numbers that the other guys do. Probably because he’s doing all the dirty work they aren’t.

But you’re right Tampa probably has no plans of trading him anyway. And this trade is much like all the proposals around here revolving around Brady Tkachuk. There is an in-division trade penalty where teams expect more than a good player is probably worth because they have to play against him more. The Sabres would be better off looking for a third line Center From a team not in our division, that they can get for a better price than the premium an in division trade would cost.

I disagree with your assessment of both the 11th overall pick and Kulich. This year‘s draft may not be as loaded as last year, but I would have to think the first 20 players are all NHL players unless something happens to them. Kulich is a small, skill player with a great shot. He probably needs to get a little bigger just to be able to defend himself at the NHL level, but the kid is barely 20 years old. Talent like his would probably thrive in Tampa if we traded him there.</div></div>

Granted I'm not as familiar with Sabre prospects, but Kulich seems like the guy that Tampa would target if they were moving a big piece. He seems close to NHL ready, plays a solid 2 way game, and thought he had a little size. As far as the 11oa, they sometimes make it, but it's definitely not a lock. The player is also likely several years away, which is why if Tampa did trade for a pick in that range, given I believe they are still trying to compete, would likely be used in another trade to add a big name Dman or F. I think it's something like 7 or 8 of the last 20 #11 picks either made the league or seem to be trending in that direction, so it's definitely a gamble(especially in a less strong draft class). I've had more than a few Buffalo fans offer the 1st+lesser piece for Cirelli, so I upped the price given Tampa doesn't have to move him and it would be a division rival. I suppose if Tampa had another deal in place ready to go where they used thec1dt+whatever to add a top 4 dman or slightly cheaper top 6 F, then maybe. Without the 1st though, I doubt Tampa considers any offer unless a high level prospect is involved perhaps.
Forum: Armchair-GMFri. at 10:04 p.m.
Thread: TBL offseason moves v5
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tjm220</b></div><div>Pass on Cirelli if he’s going to cost anywhere near that much. He is a $6 million third line Center who scores 40-50 pts a year, and if he came to Buffalo, he’d be lucky to get 30 points. I like Jeannot, but he’s a cap dump for Tampa here. But we all knew he’d never be worth what they gave up for him. This would go down as one of the worst trades in the last 20 years.</div></div>

Except Cirelli is a 2C with great defensive play. Ppl who only see his point totals don't watch him much in my experience. Tampa doesn't need and doesn't really want to move him anyway, so the only way they would is if they get a very good deal that improves their roster either through acquiring a top 4 RD with term in the trade, the assets from the trade, or the space gained from the trade. The 11th pick this year in a weak draft may have a 35-40% chance of ever being a regular NHL contributor, and Kulich does look like a probabale regular. Tampa probably doesn't move him, but this kind of deal gets them at least thinking. Lol at your "worst trade in the last 20 years", as that was either one of the best or worst jokes of the day, hard to tell.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 1:18 p.m.
Thread: Trying something new with Cernak and Sam Dickinson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>StutzlesNumber1Fan</b></div><div>Thank you for the feedback! RD are very scarce so I wouldn't expect TBL to even move him. I just expect the Sens to strike out on a quality RD in free agency so we'll likely have to make a trade for one.</div></div>

Yeah, Tampa will also be looking at potential ufa dmen like Chatfield, Roy, DeMelo, Walker etc(or at least they should). While Cernak has had his share of injuries, he's still quite good, and logs some of the most difficult minutes, so yeah, if Tqmpa was to trade him, it wojld have to be a pretty good deal for them especially with a division rival). If Tampa had a little more depth at RD, they might consider it because of the potential of Grieg, but unfortunately, they don't. At least RD looks to be a position where there could be a fair number of ufa's this summer, so hopefully both teams will be able to add who they need there.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 11:55 a.m.
Thread: Trying something new with Cernak and Sam Dickinson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>StutzlesNumber1Fan</b></div><div>Yeah it was very hard to gauge his value! I would definitely be willing to give up more for Cernak + Jeannot, I was just basing it off what I've been seeing.</div></div>

From a value perspective, it's not terrible. Tampa fans aren't kidding themselves about Jeannot, and most of us know that he's worth a mid round+maybe late round pick at this point, at best. Cernak is much harder to move though, as while he's not a top pairing RD, he's a very solid 2nd pairing caliber defensive dman, which Tampa is in short supply of. I think Tampa declines not because of value per say, but because they need to add another capable defensive RD this summer, not lose one.
Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 10:43 p.m.
Thread: Tampa defense in 2025-2026
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wrestlingfan5</b></div><div>Possibly trade perbix and jeannot to resign dumba?</div></div>

Both Jeannot and Perbix need to be gone, but not so they can waste cap on Dumba, who is terrible. Tampa should be looking at a number of RD this summer if they make it to ufa. Any of Roy, DeMelo, Walker, Chatfield, maybe Carrier if they'll get over whatever bias they have on a dman under 6', and for older possible ufa's, Tanev perhaps on a shorter deal. If they look for more expensive it would be Pesce or Montour maybe, but they won't have that cap space available. DeMelo is the best target by far, as Tampa needs a good defensive RD. Roy and Chatfield would be the next top options(again maybe Tanev), that Tampa should also look at. They definitely need to add someone, but luckily, this summer is shaping up to be a good one for that position.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 6 at 3:48 p.m.