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Forum: NHL17 hours ago
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>edeangel84</b></div><div>The Brits and Poland are definitely on the rise to varying degrees. Norway is another one that I really want to see take the next step. France and Italy are probably the most frustrating because if they cared more they could put together teams comparable to the Germans and Swiss. I don’t know why Estonia and Lithuania can’t follow Latvia’s example? Most of Europe could be at least competitive if the interest grows. As far as Asia goes, Japan would be great but if that was going to happen I think it would have followed the Nagano Olympics when the country went into love move with Hasek and Jagr.</div></div>

Yeah good call on Italy too. With the 2026 Olympics and some new arenas hopefully they'll get a bump up in interest and resources especially in Milan, Turin, and Northern Italy.
Forum: NHLWed. at 11:50 a.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WJC_Enthusiast</b></div><div>I feel like they could've waited a but longer to sack Hakstol. He didn't do that bad of a job with a underwhelming roster in terms of talent</div></div>

I think that they had success 2 years ago with a really well executed system of play. A "mid" roster but was deep and they could roll lines and everyone pretty much was interchangeable parts.

The flaw in that thinking is that once teams scouted and executed how to beat their system they became a lower mid team since they lacked the elite talent to adapt and make adjustments.

It was a great way to get competitive right away but it isn't going to get them into the next tier of teams. Big risk that they fall backwards, but Ron Francis is gambling they can get the right coach to take them to the next level without the elite talent.
Forum: NHLMon. at 10:12 p.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Domi's said numerous times if he stays he is willing to take a discount of course open market he can get more but if he stays its on a discount like what Paul did with TBL

Wouldnt be surprised if its a 3.15m x 7 year deal like Pauls was

Liligren is not gonna get to much. Guy didnt have a super great season and does not have a tonne of leverage see a 2 year 2.25m deal as rn he's a third pair guy who can do a bunch of little things but not excel at them. Basically Liligren got a Bear deal</div></div>

You might get Liljegren on 1 year at that AAV but if there is term it will be around $3m AAV. I dont see any reason to argue against this analysis: <a href="https://thehockeywriters.com/maple-leafs-predicting-rfa-defencemen-next-contract/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Predicting Maple Leafs’ Expiring RFA Defencemen’s Next Contracts</a>
Forum: NHLMay 6 at 3:42 p.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>So I did the math.

Bertuzzi will probs get around 4.75m-5.5m and Domi 3-4m both on 5-6 year deals

TOR then has enough to bring in a 4-6m Dman (Roy, Demelo, etc.), Lybushkin at around 1.5m, and a 2m goalie to backup Woll

Its tricky but doable as they have seen some guys step up and graduate

Robertson, McMann (was hurt the series so who knows what we would have seen when healthy), Benoit, Dewar, Holmberg, etc.

Like man it sucks McMann got hurt as he was snakingly becoming a B6 weapon who could score off the rush or just drive the net</div></div>

I think Domi will get more, even as a low end 2C or as a 2nd line winger he is probably in the same range as Bertuzzi. His play down the stretch and in the playoffs has helped him alot.

Also, where did you value Liljegren?

I think there is only room to bring in 2 out of 3 of Domi, Bertuzzi, and a 1st pair RD.
Forum: NHLMay 6 at 3:14 p.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Apparently per Friedman

Both Bertuzzi and Domi and the TML have mutual interest in a return

TOR is talking with McCabe on extension

Berube is the front runner for HC


Doing the math on if bringing those two back and doing other things is do able and getting what we want but yea its not bad so far.</div></div>

I can't see how much changes for TML if they don't add a high end top 4 RHD. With Pesce, Montour, Roy, Walker, and some others likely on the market they'll need between $5 and $7 million available in free agency; all of those re-signings would use up their cap space along with Liljegren RFA and goalie deals.

Their offense being only created from the top 6 forwards is the most predictable attack; if they got better transition and offense generated from their defense they would be a much more dangerous and consistent team.
Forum: NHLMay 6 at 2:57 p.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CantStopWontStop</b></div><div>If I were on the leafs board I would vote to give it one more go.

Worry about Marner/Tavares in 12 months. If one of those 2 approached and wanted out, would facilitate, otherwise, no.

With Utah’s existence; added buying pressure of available on ice talent as well as numerous teams looking for coaches, it is a bad offseason to voluntarily become a buyer of both. Everything is locked up, can focus on building a better team. Can deal with the headaches in a future friendlier environment. Maybe take a shot at a coach if there’s one guy that really moves the needle but if I didn’t get my guy I wouldn’t dump what I have for second best.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>I feel rn they have 2 plans

1. Ask either if they would be willing to waive

If yes then they make a move

If no on to plan B

2. Same **** build around them and see</div></div>

Yeah the coaching decision is the front and center (another HC let go before extension?)

Player wise there really is just a few things that can do to improve the team vs "change for change's sake".

Pick 1 UFA: Max Domi or Tyler Bertuzzi
#1 RD in Free Agency
Goalie (1A or 1B) in Free Agency

Beyond that it is coaching/execution/systems and the role of the youth movement: Knies, Quillan, Minten, Cowan, Grebyonkin, Niemela, Hildeby getting any meaningful roles in 2024-25.

Predicting/expecting anything major beyond that requires 2 or 3 "steps" to come together that are impossible to determine today at this stage
Forum: NHLMay 2 at 9:36 a.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CantStopWontStop</b></div><div>I guess PLD managed a single shot over the final 4 games. (It was in game 2, so it’s been a minute)

Admittedly only watched about half of them due to timezone/work.

Looking thru individual game stuff….it’s so bad. For example, the numbers tell me he was the worst skater on the ice in game 2 by every way to measure it, and that was a game his team won and scored 5 goals.

https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/202404240EDM.html


Did he look as bad as his stats look? If there’s no injury…</div></div>

Yep he was coasting, a step behind every play. Someone who doesn't follow hockey asked if that guy does any conditioning at all or does he just roll out of bed and show up for games like a rec player.
Forum: NHLMay 1 at 10:00 p.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>But remember Brind’Amour does not want to leave Carolina just to leave or cause of organizational setup. Issue right now is they are not meeting his asking price and so he may have 0 choice but to go fine im going to market

Sure those also apply but it seems the main disagreement is how much is being offered to him. CAR really got to stop being so cheap its gonna really cost em.

With TOR being hungry for a cup and not having a big window, if they once again drop the ball Keefe's 100% gone and I could see a new coach super deal tying or beating the previous Babcock one

Like if TOR offered 10m x 5 years to him would be pretty stupid to reject dont yah think. Plus get to coach Matthews added bonus</div></div>

Not saying TOR wouldn't be a top contender either. It's just that "job security" is a top factor; and likely the roster construction/ development system. Treliving and his team; the scouts; etc would have to be aligned with Brind'Amour on philosophy. Not saying they arent; just saying that is more important than $; otherwise nobody is successful and everyone gets fired
Forum: NHLMay 1 at 9:57 p.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>But remember Brind’Amour does not want to leave Carolina just to leave or cause of organizational setup. Issue right now is they are not meeting his asking price and so he may have 0 choice but to go fine im going to market

Sure those also apply but it seems the main disagreement is how much is being offered to him. CAR really got to stop being so cheap its gonna really cost em.

With TOR being hungry for a cup and not having a big window, if they once again drop the ball Keefe's 100% gone and I could see a new coach super deal tying or beating the previous Babcock one

Like if TOR offered 10m x 5 years to him would be pretty stupid to reject dont yah think. Plus get to coach Matthews added bonus</div></div>

Everything I've heard is it's more about his assistants and their job security/compensation.
Forum: NHLMay 1 at 7:51 p.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>A_Habs_fan</b></div><div>I think you’re underestimating the Brind’Amour -Francis connection and how much money Seattle has</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Money talks though and if TOR is sitting there with a Babcock or 10m offer idk if Brind'Amour would reject it

Like the main reason he would leave CAR is money thats what were getting from the majority of reports.

Sure he may know Francis but he's not leaving for the sake of leaving there be factors in play and I dont see SEA outbidding TOR if they really want this guy

Plus he gets to coach Matthews big bonus ;)</div></div>

I think relationships, organizational structure and system alignment matter much more than people realize for HC