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Armchair-GM
Fri. at 12:32 p.m.
Thread:
Marner Taber nacle Choir
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GuyCaballero</b></div><div>from whose perspective?
Cap room is worth more than we imagine - especially if a team is jammed up to the ceiling, like let's say oh....the Leafs</div></div>
sure it works for the leafs or any other team..i mean from a players perspective..i think they get more than whats being presented..that said id love for a player (or two) to give us discounts (it would be a first for the leafs aside from Gio and Spezza, but they were way past prime even though they played well)
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Armchair-GM
Fri. at 12:29 p.m.
Thread:
no cap
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>It is very common for teams to allow a players agent to talk to interested parties. However that has no say in trade value as the player is extended or not after the trade is made. Conditional re-sign picks are illegal so any player within 1 year away from UFA is considered a rental in trades. Just look at the Lindholm return, he hasn't signed an extension in Vancouver yet</div></div>
true..do you think he does or do you think Lindholm walks?
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Armchair-GM
Fri. at 12:28 p.m.
Thread:
no cap
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMBL</b></div><div>Because it doesn't make them Cup favorites but more importantly, it leads to a short window to compete. Sooner rather than later, they will need a 2C and secondary scoring will likely be an issue, soon enough Pietrangelo's contract is up/he's not as effective anymore and they would also need a 1RD. Their prospect pool isn't deep enough for them to hope to have potential solutions. At that point, Matthews is 1-year away from FA, and is probably sold as a rental for pennies on the dollar, might as well deal him now for a king's ransom.
If you're trading Marner for older defensive help, better be getting a top 6 F as well, preferably a C. If they could, the Leafs would be better off trading Marner for Theodore + Karlsson or Buchnevich + Faulk than trading him for Pietrangelo.</div></div>
all fair points
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mon. at 8:42 p.m.
Thread:
Marner Taber nacle Choir
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GuyCaballero</b></div><div>from whose perspective?
Cap room is worth more than we imagine - especially if a team is jammed up to the ceiling, like let's say oh....the Leafs</div></div>
as it stands the leafs have 18 530 333$ in cap space for next season
under contract
10 fwds 5 dmen and 1 goaltender
most of the available spots can be filled with low salary players (bottom 6 and 3rd pair)
higher costs would include 1 or 2 d, Domi n Bert and 1 back up goaltender
its not as stark as evryone crys about (and I was one of them until I looked at the actual numbers)
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Armchair-GM
Mon. at 7:07 p.m.
Thread:
Marner Taber nacle Choir
most of these contracts are below market value
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mon. at 7:04 p.m.
Thread:
no cap
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Leafs will absolutely explore an extension before anything else. But I would be shocked if they are willing to even pay him the same amount let alone give him a raise.
I'm not debating the proposed trade at all, in fact I highly doubt Piet would waive to leave Vegas. There will certainly be other offers but it would also come down to where he would willingly waive</div></div>
Pietrangelo played with Tavares..is from the area and just like Marner could be asked to waive his NTC...not saying this happens..im no insider...im a fan like all others on this platform..having fun making mock scenarios...baffles me that people get all tight up in their panties over these roster compositions (not just mine clearly ive seen many comments on other team creations)..and I keep seeing 9 year extension in this thread..he can sign up to 8 years as per cba with team that owns his rights...a point of leverage for the leafs..if he plays out his contract here and we dont resign he can only sign 7 years with another team.
based on his pres conference today im not sure hes going anywhere
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Armchair-GM
Mon. at 6:59 p.m.
Thread:
no cap
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>He did say that but that never happens. Marner signing an extension post trade holds not merit on a trade itself. Marner is by all definition a full season rental if he were to be moved this offseason.</div></div>
you must be new, so i will explain...its very common for a team to allow a players agent to shop around before making a trade to ensure that the new team has interest in completing a long term contract..this is no reinvention of the weel it happens and is reported by many in the know like Friedman (as an example)
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Armchair-GM
Mon. at 6:53 p.m.
Thread:
no cap
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMBL</b></div><div>You don't trade 9-years of Marner for 3-years of Pietrangelo, 1 for 1.</div></div>
and ...why not?
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
May 5 at 1:32 p.m.
Thread:
Marner to Utah
Playing Devils advocate
If Im Utah
im not interested in Steeves (just coming off injury and not much upside)
Im not giving my 1st either (even though I am loaded in picks)
otherwise there are pieces to work with to start a discusion.
being a leaf fan now
I offer up Marner for McBain and Ingram and Durzi..(main pieces not total trade, for both sides)
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
May 5 at 1:26 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs finally get a goalie
I like this one..what would a nsh fan say though?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 5 at 1:21 p.m.
Thread:
who effin knows
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>justinhollfan3</b></div><div>Well the difference is is that marner is a proven better player than Hall and Larsson is significantly older than when he was traded for Hall, if Marner were to be traded it would be for not one single player and that player would probably be a star calibre player as well</div></div>
i disagree on both fronts
heres my argument
Hall has won a Hart trophy and was a 1st overall pick..Marner is not better at this point.
Larson is a top pair stud RHD at a great cap hit which augments his value.
And of course Marner has a NTC which also lowers his value as does the fact he only hs 1 year left then becomes UFA...
Counter argument? Where do you believe I am wrong and why?
cheers (i am enjoying the banter)
ps we all know that if Mitch doesnt want to waive his NTC he gonna be here another year..id im brad and that is what i am dealt, i pivot and trade rielly to upgrade g or d
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 5 at 1:05 p.m.
Thread:
who effin knows
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lancebmx</b></div><div>Sure from Detroit.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>justinhollfan3</b></div><div>Adam Larsson and Marner should not be together in a 1 for 1 trade</div></div>
can you make your point?
Marner is at a similar value than Hall was at the point of original deal with NJ..Leafs get a shut down RHD to go with Reilly and anchor the PK and save cap space..and Marner would be a better fit in Seatle out of the spotlight and he could help Wright reach a new level. (that ws my logic but Im interested in your argument)
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 5 at 1:01 p.m.
Thread:
Marner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dk325</b></div><div>Jackets pass. Werenski is their only star player earning his contract these days. They'd need a star center in return if he were to be moved, not another winger. Especially not one that only has 1 year left on his contract who likely won't re-sign and even if he does will cost $11M+. Dedicating nearly $30M to 3 wingers is not a recipe for success.</div></div>
I wouldnt do it either for Werenski.
what about treplacing him (as the main piece) with Provorov and adding a pick or player (depth)
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 5 at 12:59 p.m.
Thread:
Marner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mikael_Smith</b></div><div>NSH declines</div></div>
I agree its not worth it for Nsh as it is...but question is..what changes would you be looking for to make that work?
A third team involved to retain more? the two 1st rndr are too much for sure.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 5 at 11:14 a.m.
Thread:
who do we keep
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mikael_Smith</b></div><div>Marner could fetch more
And Lindholm signs for roughly 7 million</div></div>
we have the cap to offer lindholm more and i dont believe we get full value for marner..he has a no trade so we are handcuffed..take what you can get and move on use that cap space elswhere on playoff style players
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Apr. 29 at 7:34 p.m.
Thread:
as per Shanny everyone stays
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MrAicrow2009</b></div><div>And another bad trade, Kempe is not Marner and a Bottom 4 Defensemen is not needed for 2.5 Million</div></div>
does your boss know you spend so much time trollin on capfriendly..get back to work lol pitsburgh
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Apr. 29 at 7:32 p.m.
Thread:
as per Shanny everyone stays
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Why not Marner for Dubois?</div></div>
funny lol
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Apr. 29 at 6:12 p.m.
Thread:
Isnt it Ironic
if you cant beat em, join em lol
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Apr. 29 at 5:46 p.m.
Thread:
going back to Cali
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MrAicrow2009</b></div><div>Marner never waives in a million years</div></div>
lol whats a pens fan doing here lol
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Apr. 29 at 5:45 p.m.
Thread:
going back to Cali
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GeneralLandro</b></div><div>Come on man, you can’t go trying to justify the trade and then throw in ‘isn’t he a 3rd liner’ trying to diminish his value but then play him as your LW1</div></div>
again, just f*ckin around..this is a fans platform..none of this makes a dif, dont get emotional
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Apr. 29 at 5:40 p.m.
Thread:
going back to Cali
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GeneralLandro</b></div><div>What on earth is the reason for adding a 1st on top of Vatrano man? lol
We don’t accept that with both Franky and the 1st in there, we don’t accept that with just Franky in there and we also don’t accept with that 1st in there</div></div>
no good reasons, just having fun on the platform..this team is all jokes..I really dont know what the Leafs can do with what they have now.
isnt Vatrana a 3rd line player whos 30? same as jarnkrok for that matter..and Liljegren is only 24, a former 1st rounder and as yet to live up to the potential..and that 1st is almost a 2nd
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Apr. 29 at 5:36 p.m.
Thread:
get more hard hats
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KrakBirds23</b></div><div>He's been blocked the last two years from being a top 6 forward. His last call up after they traded Wennberg he got to play with some talent (Eberle and Schwartz) and put up 5 points in 5 games. He looked a lot more confident than in his time with the team last year (22/23) and his call up earlier this season. The 2C role is his to lose in the pre-season.</div></div>
nice to hear..the league needs more top end talent, and less flops
looking forward to seeing him put up points in his bright career.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Apr. 29 at 3:37 p.m.
Thread:
get more hard hats
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KrakBirds23</b></div><div>Of course. As do I. The difficult part with trading is getting the stuff lined up right. But I think for all teams in all sports getting the value right is the most difficult part. Both teams either have to feel like they won, or that they both lost, for it to be a fair trade.
And now with the coaching change in Seattle it will be interesting to see if RF changes his thought processes and opinions on trades.</div></div>
whats the deal with Wright?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Apr. 29 at 3:01 p.m.
Thread:
get more hard hats
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KrakBirds23</b></div><div>Good question. RF traditionally builds teams through drafts. During his time in Carolina and now Seattle most of his deals are for draft picks and not prospects. The course for the team right now is get through the contracts from the expansion draft and find the star players organically rather than trading for them. Essential players (Eberle, McCann, Dunn) and RFA's without arbitration tend to be the focus at the moment. So the needs are draft picks and top RHD as they don't have a replacement on the team or on the farm. Most of the offers here have been for 2nd or 3rd pairing D's.
My guess is this off-season either Tanev or Gourde will be moved - Probably Tanev. And they will still look for a 3rd/4th line center (Bring back Wenneberg on a better team deal?) But I don't see them moving on from Larsson until they are eliminated from the playoffs, and Larsson can't be re-signed, at the trade dead line. Cost at that time will be a severe over pay from a team looking for a top end RHD.
Most of the offers from TML fans comes down to the undervalue of Larsson and over value of what they think could get it done. Asking Seattle to trade Larsson would be like Seattle asking for Riley in return for some of the guys on the Firebirds. Neither are close to what the teams need. Does Seattle need offense? Yes it does, but not at the cost of what the team is built around in defense. For that alone I don't think Toronto has available what Seattle would be looking for if they chose to move Larsson.</div></div>
not that it matters but I would move Rielly.
Thanks for the thoughful response I love to learn about other markets
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Apr. 28 at 8:28 p.m.
Thread:
another delusional leaf fans dream
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MrAicrow2009</b></div><div>You are delusional, And that marner trade proves it</div></div>
lol from what teams angle?
a 1st line fwd in his prime for an older top 4 d and a mid 1st rnd pick
hope youre having fun with Dubas running ship
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