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Forum: Armchair-GM38 minutes ago
Thread: Offseason Ideas
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jaok3</b></div><div>Do you really think the leafs next season with a similar lineup are a cup contender? If Marner knows they aren't re-signing him and he can go to Vegas or Colorado for example. Why wouldn't he waive?</div></div>

With Matthews, Nylander, and Marner and a good offseason, yes they’re totally still a playoff team imo. The islanders just made the playoffs, they’ll smash that next year.

I also think Marner won’t look at it the same way we do. He clearly loves being a Leaf, and wants to win there. I don’t see why he’d waive to move from the only team he’s played for where he wears an A while in a playoff position just to go to some other contender

Even for the long game, I think his dream scenario is a new contract with TOR. Second to that would be UFA. Last imo would be waiving to go somewhere with an extension to where he doesn’t even get to see what the open market has to offer
Forum: Armchair-GM54 minutes ago
Thread: Retain Core and Build
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>I love Zellweger and I would hate to have to give him or our 2025 first up. But if the premise is that we're taking a major step to add to the roster, then we're going to have to part with something valuable; our other assets simply aren't enough. (Would you get out the pitchforks if Verbeek traded Zellie and the Edmonton pick for Helenius or Brandsegg-Nygard?)

My bottom line is that if we <strong>don't</strong> give up one of those three elements, we're just tinkering. Not that that's a bad thing, with our future.</div></div>

Oh my god yes my pitchfork would be out. Zell in his own draft year would be a top 15 pick if redrafted today, but with certainty on his floor and still a very high ceiling. And that draft is looking pretty solid. I wouldn’t move him 1:1 for either of those two players honestly

We should not be giving up any young core piece or high value pick imo. Colorado wasn’t competitive until like 7 seasons after having drafted Mackinnon. We’re not yet in a position to be selling futures unless it’s clear they aren’t part of our future

20 more points next season and we’re still the 8th worst team in the league.
Forum: Armchair-GM1 hour ago
Thread: Retain Core and Build
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>I wouldn't be horrified if Verbeek thought it a good idea to trade the first for a young RW with term. I wouldn't like it, but I could understand it.

I can also imagine deals where we get a 2025 second back in the exchange.

My main point was that the number of assets we might be willing to give up is far more limited than people think. (Mintyukov would be included in the no-go's, too, as would our 2024 first or the prospect selected therewith.)</div></div>

I agree with that point. But I personally would put both Zell and the ‘25 1st on those lists.

Zell because he looks awesome and we can afford to ice one undersized Dman (both NYR and COL have done just fine doing so).

As for the ‘25 1st, we’re not going to be competing for much next year regardless, and that pick is going to be valuable. Plus, you need young ELCs to contribute as well when the window opens. I’d be very hesitant to trading away futures until our window is actually opened already. Think of Perry and Getz for us for our cup win.

Or today, Laf/Cuylle for NYR, Johnston/Stankoven/Harley for DAL etc. I’d be holding onto our picks for a few years. Our team is basically on hold for competing until Leo and McT are actually ready to go head to head against the leagues best centers. That very reasonably might take some time regardless of who is on their wing
Forum: Armchair-GM2 hours ago
Thread: Retain Core and Build
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>Five of Anaheim's top 6 forwards are set for the rest of the decade: Cutter Gauthier and Trevor Zegras at LW, Leo Carlsson and Mason McTavish at C, and Troy Terry at RW. The Ducks will be wanting to add a RW to that group, not subtract from it or even make a lateral move. Necas would be a great target but I don't think that Pat Verbeek will be willing to pay what it will take to get him. About the most valuable pieces I think are available are Olen Zellweger, John Gibson and the 2025 first.


It has nothing to do with value. We wouldn't make that move because it would simply be adding a top-line player while subtracting a top-line player.</div></div>

You think Zellweger and the ‘25 1st are available?
Forum: Armchair-GM3 hours ago
Thread: Quack
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Have the ducks said they won’t retain on Gibson? I have seen fans say that here, but I have not seen anything suggesting the team wouldn’t. I’d think $2m+ would be needed to get any positive return. If they are selling him for $6.4m, there won’t be much of a market for him, unless Anaheim is adding sweeteners.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Gibson for 6th
Jones for 4th

If no retention or Zegras included, that’s probably around market prices for each guy. And Devils would likely pass on any Gibson deal without significant retention.</div></div>

I don’t think they need a market for him. A positive return would be great, but if it isn’t there for retention more in the $1.4M range I don’t really see the benefit in moving him and locking up both a retention spot and $2.4M for the next 3 seasons. Just keep him and have him mentor Dostal

The Zegras inclusion isn’t close, there’s nothing of meaningful interest in return there at all