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Forum: Armchair-GM5 hours ago
Thread: If Clarke isnt available
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ship</b></div><div>a 44 point rookie is your franchise? i know he looks sweet, but gosh damn some of these poverty teams haven't experienced true great players. if they think guys like that are untouchable. it's a shame really. these poverty franchises deserve to know what it's like to have a real franchise player.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WJC_Enthusiast</b></div><div>He was drafted in 2022 bro</div></div>

Just to put this all into perspective.

Cooley: Drafted 2022 end of 2023-24 season he has 44points
Marner: Drafted 2015 end of 2016-17 season he has 61 points (and missed 9 games)

If you think the guy who has played the last 3 seasons at a 100 point pace isn't more valuable then idk what to tell you.
Forum: Armchair-GM14 hours ago
Thread: Blockbuster TOR 3 of 3
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ktownchef</b></div><div>Liljegren is not getting you a 2nd and 4th round picks.

He's a part time player on a team who's defense is suspect at best.

It's been 7 years since he's been drafted. The shine of being a first round pick has worn off.</div></div>

He's analytically very solid. Even his scouting report on capfriendly has him listed as a 2nd line D. His problem in Toronto isn't that he isn't good. It's that he can't play with Rielly and that has really limited him in terms of fitting into the D corps since the 2RD spot has always been filled and he style doesn't match what Toronto wants on their third pair.

When Rielly was out last year and this year he was on the top pair as was pretty dominant. Had 8 points in the 7 games Rielly didn't play this year where he was the #1 for Toronto. Similar story in 2022 I think it was like 15 points in the 23 games Rielly missed (a large reason why Toronto felt they could move on from Sandin).
Forum: Armchair-GM14 hours ago
Thread: Blockbuster LA 2 of 3
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ktownchef</b></div><div>I fixed my horrible sentences but I agree. Clarke is the future after Drew who is still playing at a high level.</div></div>

Fundamental problem with this idealistic view Kings fans have is that for anyone criticizing how LA's D looked this year, imagine a right side of Doughty/Spence/Clarke. You have 3 offensive D who are all vulnerable in their own zone. I can't see Blake thinking its remotely feasible to enter the season with those three guys. One of them has to move. Its not Doughty and Spence is a sure thing.

It's also just really bad asset management to keep all 3 given that their best skill is being a PP QB, all of their scouting reports have that as their most valuable asset and 1 of them will need to do it on the second unit, and one won't do it at all. Like if you play Clarke and keep Doughty/Spence on the PP then by the end of next year his trade value will plummet, the whole league will see his defensive deficiencies and none of his offensive upside. It's a large reason he wasn't in the NHL full time this year.
Forum: Armchair-GM14 hours ago
Thread: Blockbuster LA 2 of 3
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Fail4Nail</b></div><div>Defense just got a whole lot worse though..unless Drai is not with the Oilers, this team (specifically defense) won't beat them. Gavrikov-Roy is the most successful shutdown pair against McDavid or Drai. Replacing Roy with Lyubushkin is just such a major downgrade.</div></div>

Lybushkin's defensive metrics (ignoring his time on Buffalo/Anaheim) are among the top 10 in the league. He was on for one 5v5 goal against in the entire Toronto/Boston series while playing on the Leafs' top pair logging big minutes. He is by far a better defensive D than Roy, he just brings absolutely no offense, a complete black hole of offense. The most you'll get from him is a breakout pass, even then he prefers to dump/chip.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 1:20 a.m.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsYesterday at 4:19 p.m.
Thread: Leafs Prospects, Draft Picks and More
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rajvinder</b></div><div>If you are all looking for a name most fan won't know who is going to impact the Leafs next year the answer is Jacob Quillan. He is higher on the center depth chart than Minten (not as high of potential but closer to reaching his).

I'd be shocked if he didn't get some games in the NHL and wouldn't be surprised if he got a job out of camp or earned a place on the roster during the season.

Out of the names you provided, Webber will be the 7-9th D so likely to get games. Niemla could honestly be traded, he isn't going to be a stud and even if he hit his potential today he's at best a Lili replacement if Lili flops. But he could get games if he's in the organization.</div></div>

I've never heard of this guy. Why do you think he's so good?
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 12:01 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 10:14 p.m.
Thread: Summer overhaul
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Kyle_Davidson</b></div><div>Has anyone on this cite… actually read the CBA? Like in its entirety?</div></div>

Maybe I'm alone lol.

You can reacquire McCabe; you just couldn't do it within 12 months of the original trade.

Actually since you are the only team retaining salary, if you reacquired him you would actually get your salary retention slot back.

It can create some unique scenarios. Like when Kessel was at $8M and Toronto retained $1.2M so Pit had him at $6.8M. When Pit traded him the most they could retain was $3.4M so any team acquiring him would need that much cap. BUT if they traded him to Toronto, he would be back at $8M with no retention, so Toronto could retain $4M, a third team could retain $2M and an acquiring team could get him for $2M.

It's weird but in short you can get McCabe back. Although if Tre decided to trade him for a 3rd I'm not sure he'd be around long enough to finish the trade call.
Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 9:47 p.m.
Thread: Smart Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tryger</b></div><div>It was a joke that you made LAs top line stronger at the expense of the second and third lines. Fiala and his 73 points, and Moore and his 30 goals collectively cost LA a bit over $12M. Basically those two players provide more offense for LA at $.5M more than Marner would.

No chance LA gives up on Portillo who is the best goalie prospect the Kings have had in a very long time and came to LA because he saw a path at being a starter rather than being a backup. He'd be fighting against Askarov and would be rightfully annoyed with LA.

LA has also given up Clarke which is quite possibly LAs most important young asset behind Byfield. As the Kings keep seeing first round exits, the future needs to be the focus and not necessarily winning now with Kopitar. (Unless PLD becomes a 70 point player this season).</div></div>

Marner is also a Selke nominee #1 PK guy so there is some value in that but I get where you are coming from.

I actually thing the opposite about short vs long term. When Kopitar/Doughty retire this team is in a lot of trouble. Unless Dubois gets it together there is no top 6C (or highly likely future top 6C in the organization), there is no future #1 Goalie (Portillo is a high risk/high reward type prospect and far from a guarantee). There is a good chance that when those guys retire the team misses the playoffs and is forced to rebuild. If its a 5 years rebuilt the next window opens in 7-8 years by then Byfield is 30.

No right/wrong answer but I think planning to build around Byfield/Clarke will be a disaster unless they also trade Kopitar/Doughty to kickstart that generation of the team.
Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 8:51 p.m.
Thread: Smart Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tryger</b></div><div>You made LA the third best top loaded team in the pacific and sold all its depth for a goaltender who will be signed past his mid 30s and block Portillo. We already have Blake making crazy ideas, don’t need this.

This is also without mentioning Marner taking a discount and waiving his NMC to one of the heaviest taxed areas in the league</div></div>

What discount? 3x$11.5M is a great deal for him. He'll be 29 when it ends, he can sign an 8 year deal then, cap will be up and he can get $13M+. Same thing that Matthews is doing. Makes way more sense than signing 8x$12.5M if he wants to maximize his earnings.

Also how is this top loaded? Spence is a 35 point D on the 3rd pairing, Danault is a 2C on most teams playing 3C, McMann played above a 20 goal pace this season (15 in 56 games). What depth are you missing?