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Forum: Armchair-GMAug 30, 2019 at 12:10
Forum: Armchair-GMAug 30, 2019 at 12:08
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jack_</b></div><div>I dont think there is such a huge gap between nylander and marner. Nylander is a much better play driver but marner is better in his own zone and can do phenomenal things with the puck. Nylander hasn't played a full season with Matthews yet but i hope he does this season. Nylander is a bigger shooting threat and I also think he could do the same thing marner does on the PP if he took his spot.

When marner played with bozak and JVR the line did well. Once marner moved up with kadri and Marleau brown took marners place with bozak and jvr. That line produced at almost the same rate, marner is 100% better then brown and komarov but he is overrated. All everyone talks about is how the Toronto media overrates all their players but marner is somehow the one exception. JT has boosted marners production like he has with every other winger hes played with.

Marner isnt even the best rfa on the market</div></div>

Correction. In 2016/17 and 2017/18, Nylander played the full 82 games. His most frequent linemate was Matthews. He was on the top powerplay unit during those 2 seasons with Gardiner, Bozak, Matthews and JVR. He only got 61 points in 82 games.

Marner on the other hand played on a line with Kadri for 33 games in 2017/18. During that span he put up 36 points (22 at even strength). Yet Nylander is the better player? Over a full 82 game season Marner would’ve put up 90 points and 55 at even strength. Nylander put up 61 points and 35 at even strength, but keep in mind he mostly played with Matthews.

What is important is that people say Tavares significantly boosted Marner’s production. While he did increase his ability as an all round ability, he did not significantly increase his projected production. Therefore the comparison of Marner to Moulson and other players is invalid.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug 30, 2019 at 11:19
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeastModeUnknown</b></div><div>2017/18.......players change as you can see what happened to Milan Lucic. If he was so good and worth as much as he says he is then he shouldn't be relying on Tavares so much.....I have never said he is better than Nylander, but I do thinik he isn't worth as much as he says he is. Aho plays just as good, and doesn't become menced meat when 1 player isn't on the ice. He was also a defensive liability. So how exactly does 2 years ago change my mind about what happened last year? It's completely irrelevant 2 years ago. He is a different player by falling off, and it's a different team which he clearly didn't benefit from.</div></div>

I’m sorry but I don’t agree with anything you just said. First off, Lucic is not a good comparable for Marner. You said you saw Marner play during the 7 game series against the Bruins in 2019, in which he made a few defensive errors. But is that 7 games a good sample size? If you were paying his based off what he showed during that single playoffs, then he would be a 700k a year player. I really don’t understand why you think Marner has significantly declined from the previous season. If anything, he has only demonstrated growth into becoming a more consistent and better all round player.

The point of this thread is to help people understand that Marner would’ve eventually been a 90 point player over a full season without Tavares. Whether or not you think he is good defensively based off his Corsica stats, he still finished 14th in Selke voting for the 2018-19 regular season, a very decent score.

Marner will be getting paid based off what he showed Overall in the 3 seasons of his ELC, not one playoff run. Therefore that is why he is demanding 8 years at 9 million AAV, and rightfully so.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug 27, 2019 at 3:07