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Forum: Armchair-GMJan 6 at 12:06
Forum: Armchair-GMJan 5 at 10:38
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BCAPP</b></div><div>Did you just say Giggy was a number two? Giggy was the 5th player of all time to win the Conn Smythe on the LOSING team in 2003. He played between 53 and 65 games between 2001 and 2008 and was 5th in wins in the league in that time. What the heck are you talking about ? <a href="" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank"></a>

As a matter of fact he's a pretty damn good comparison for Price

Age 24-30 Giggy was 5th in the league in wins (<a href="" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank"></a>) and 4th in save percentage (<a href="" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank"></a>). Difference of course is he didn't quite peak as good as Price did (no Hart, but he made it to the finals twice, won once, and got a Conn Smyth)

Price from age 24-30
10th in wings (<a href="" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank"></a>) 7th in save percentage (<a href="" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank"></a>)

Look I've been polite (except for my heck above). I've shown evidence. You are cherry picking players and ignoring general trends. This conversation is going no where. Its up to you to believe what you want. But the fact that all players decline is a fact. The fact that is starts for the vast majority somewhere between 28-31 is also a fact. It isn't 35. If you want to see it for starters check out here (<a href="" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank"></a>)
<img class="for_img" src="" alt="goalie_svpct.jpg?_ga=2.71673876.646049948.1578280860-127098230.1563915151">

I'm not trying to be a dick, or rude. It just is a fact that players decline as they age, it includes goalies, and while there are exceptions, exceptions are just that: exceptions to a common rule.

So I'll say it again. Price was the best goalie in the league from about 2014-2017. He was arguably one of the best players in the league. However, since then he has been okay at best. There is a chance its from injuries and ****ty D, but there is also a good chance its aging. Common things being common, it probably is aging. If you want to bet on someone to beat the aging curves, a superstar like Price isn't a bad guy to make the bet on. But I wouldn't spend a top prospect and a first to make that bet AND take on his contract.</div></div>

I am cherry picking!! You took random graphic to prove your point when even the guys who made it said it aint right since he got not enough players to have a good sample. I get it that players are aging but there nonreal
Fact that prove that number one goalie are affect by that. Js guiguere have been number one only 6 season over is career and did only play more then 60 game twice. Then anaheim prefer to go with jonas hiller and bryzgalov and they got screwed. Find a graphic who show elite players and if they declined after 30 and after i will listen to your bullshat but for now the only thibg that your graphic prove is that there backes and lucic and all the fourth line players and the players that a role players don’t do well in their 30’s . And that exactly what your graphic is. I could do my own graphic and make them tell whatever i want. Depending on what sample you take. If there 5 anti niemi for 1 pekka rinne and 1 carey price its clear that the curve wont be favorable. Be that isnt the reality since both are above the other. There nothings mathematical in those graphic, they just put all the players in without any knowledge
Forum: Armchair-GMJan 5 at 9:49
Thread: Fantasyland
Forum: Armchair-GMJan 5 at 9:45
Thread: Fantasyland
Forum: Armchair-GMJan 5 at 9:30
Forum: Armchair-GMJan 5 at 9:24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BCAPP</b></div><div>Again there are exceptions. But they're exceptions. Jagr and Chara were awesome to their early 40s. Doesn't mean most can play that late.

Why don't you check out Jonathan Quick, JS Giguere, Jonas Hiller, Bryzgalov, Cam Ward, Corey Schneider.

And if that doesn't prove it for you here is the general aging curve in the NHL.

<img class="for_img" src="" alt="curve.png">

From <a href="" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank"></a>

So yes some goalies are exceptions. And yes Price was the best goalie in the league from about 2013-2016. If I had him, I'd even be willing to gamble on him.

But would I be willing to BET that hell be an exception, when he has played badly 2 of the last 3 seasons and the majority of players do decline as he has? No I would not take that bet if it cost me major assets</div></div>

Is only been bad this year. 2017 he had a knee injury for almost all year long play. So there no indication that he is declining since he was the best goalie last year from half november to the end of the season. And by the way that aging curve represents all the goaltender including backup goalie so that no representative at all. Bryzgalov was never a true number one goaltender. As for schneider and quick injury have been in cause. As for giguere is been for most of is career a number two or was goaltending in partnership and did well until is last season with Colorado when he was 37 or 38. So again goalie aren’t affect as much by aging curve like your cheap graphic.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan 5 at 9:14
Thread: Fantasyland
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TMLSage</b></div><div><a href="/users/Sebybbq" target="_blank">@Sebybbq</a>

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Hey guy would you help us here. What evaluation can you make from that deal
Tor nylander for ana manson and sam steel"

I think the Leafs are better to pass on trading Nylander for Manson, Steel and 3rd round pick because Nylander has had a domination awaking being put on a line with John Tavares and now being coached by Sheldon Keefe who knows how to motivate him from coaching him with the Toronto Marlies. Keefe sat him for a half a period with the Leafs and Nylander has got the hint and has been absolutely on fire since. Nylander was absolutely dominating a couple of years ago in the World Championships playing for Sweden and his domination game is now back and on full display for the Leafs.

As much as like Manson, the Leafs have solid defence prospects on the way and Holl has emerged as the qulity shutdown defenceman which is not needed in Manson. Sam Steel is an great talent and was on fire with the Regina Pats but maybe some of his spotlight was really the result of playing with Adam Brooks in Regina and the Leafs do not have room for him in their forward group. Leafs do not really need the third round pick because their scouting and development departments are the best in the NHL and they can hit on later rounds as well.</div></div>

Tampa bay scouting must be the best in nhl in the last few season. Point in 3 round, cirelli 3rd round, killorn third round, palat 7th round, johnson free agent signing, mathieu joshep 4th round, cedrick paquette 4th round, radkos gudas 3rd round, All picked after the second round.
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