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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 19, 2023 at 12:26 p.m.
Thread: Ducks Swap
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pens1991</b></div><div>No sure that third would come back, but I don't think this is a terrible deal. The only thing is i'm not sure what the ducks plans are on backup this year, if they'll bring in someone in their system. Rutta is a serviceable 3rd pair player. They would add about another $1.6M to their cap, but Henrique retention and DeSmith fall off next summer. They could always flip Rutta at the deadline as well.

Ducks fans on ACGM have recently seemed to think they'll wait to deal him at the deadline as it may bring a bigger return which I could see.</div></div>

That's an overpay on Henrique, they won't see more than a 1st for him at the deadline

The other half of the deal is Rutta + DeSmith for a 3rd, which is also a slight overpay to balance the deal
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 19, 2023 at 12:09 p.m.
Thread: Kessel
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CHAR</b></div><div>Dostal needs NHL games, he's earned the backup spot in Anaheim. The Gulls tandem is already set with Clang and Alexander. So why would the Ducks put themselves on the hook for a 1.8M backup that they have no use for. "You can do X, Y or Z with DeSmith". No, we'll just not spends assets to get him in the first place.

If you want a 3rd for Rutta then the Ducks pass. He's your cap problem not ours at this point in time. And yes, that means our d-corp will be terrible again but they don't call it a rebuild for no reason.</div></div>

He's not a cap problem, he's a spare piece, there's a difference

Can make it a 4th/5th whatever if you want but I'm not going to argue value too much on a mid round pick

I don't see how depth hurts Anaheim, most teams have 5+ goalies now, Pens have 6+ at the moment. Flexibility (especially at goalie) has value
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 19, 2023 at 12:06 p.m.
Thread: Kessel
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JSEB93</b></div><div>That's fair - I would probably agree there. I just think the negative of having Kessel/Granlund together on the 3rd would outweigh the benefit of having Rust over Kessel with Malkin. If that makes sense.

Oh the 4th line will definitely be buried with dzone starts haha. And it should be solid. The thing I'm worried about is how the 3rd line would handle those dzone starts. I'm just trying to go based on Sullivan's recent deployment. If he decides to do a 180 and give the 3rd line more ozone starts then I wouldn't have a big problem with Kessel being down there with Granlund.</div></div>

I have a higher opinion of O'Connor than most, think he makes up for a lot of what those two lack

&amp; Granlund I think improves with better deployment/linemates, he's been average defensively most of his career
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 19, 2023 at 11:57 a.m.
Thread: Kessel
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JSEB93</b></div><div>I have to disagree there. Malkin and Kessel were pretty good together at 5v5. And I wouldn't want Kessel if he's playing bottom 6 - especially if it's with Granlund. No defense there. And they're going to get heavy dzone starts. I just don't like that combination. To each their own I guess.

I think Rust will have a good year as well - he really just had a down shooting year that's all. But that's why I think he's a move down candidate - to give the lines better depth. Not necessarily as a punishment for bad play - but to make the 3rd line actually decent</div></div>

I think Rust with Malkin &gt; Kessel with Malkin

I would bury that 4th line with D-zone starts as it would be solid, they probably end up playing more minutes than the proposed 3rd line
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 12, 2023 at 4:13 p.m.
Thread: Pens
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wojohawk</b></div><div>We'll agree to disagree then... Monahan 6 million dump was a 1st. Granlund will cost more than a mid to late 2nd to dump as he is 2 years and ELEVEN million in salary. DeSmith to a team with 4 goalies under contract for the NHL/Ahl spots with a GM that has publically stated he is happy with what he has for goaltending is absolutely a dump too. DeSmith may be a positive asset to someone, but he is not to the Hawks.</div></div>

A conditional 2025 1st =/= a 2024 1st

Not to mention the differences between Calgary and Pittsburgh’s situations with the cap and respective players

It’s ok if you don’t want Granlund, we don’t have to nitpick on the value between a 1st and 2nd, it’s not that deep

Just kind of seems like a no brainer for Chicago to weaponize their cap
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 12, 2023 at 11:03 a.m.
Thread: Pens
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>klassic</b></div><div>Sure we can disagree, but I don't see the logic in a rebuilding team filling their roster with veterans leaving no play for young players and prospects to get opportunities. The simple logic here is there is a cost to move the amount of money Granlund will be paid, and that cost is more than a 2nd round pick. Supply and demand. You have supply, but there is no demand from the Hawks at this point.</div></div>

The counter would be that the Hawks actually have the supply in the form of cap space, but the demand is just not that high at this point

Why would the Pens pay a 1st to dump a player they can buyout at a minimal cost?

I think the addition of a player like Hall goes against your narrative, Chicago clearly doesn't want to be vying for the first pick again

They could also retain &amp; move Granlund, they don't have to keep him if prospects are knocking at the door (but they do not seem to be)

Just think it makes sense for both sides