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....VS much needed aggressive dealing

Created by: MajesticWalrus
Initial Creation Date: Feb 16, 2018
Published: Feb 16, 2018 at 1:25 pm
Team: 2017-18 Vancouver Canucks
Team Explanation
What I would do.
Trades
VAN
  1. Kapanen, Kasperi
  2. 2018 3rd round pick (SJS)
TOR
  1. Gudbranson, Erik
VAN
  1. Juulsen, Noah
  2. 2018 5th round pick (MTL)
MTL
  1. Hutton, Ben
VAN
  1. Aston-Reese, Zach
  2. 2018 4th round pick (VAN)
PIT
  1. Gagner, Sam
VAN
  1. Nosek, Tomas
Additional Details:
Pending UFA for a cap dump (can be put on IR if Vegas ever needs the space)
VGK
  1. Dorsett, Derek
VAN
  1. Bowey, Madison
  2. 2018 2nd round pick (FLA)
WSH
  1. Del Zotto, Michael ($1,500,000 retained)
VAN
  1. Heiskanen, Miro
  2. 2018 2nd round pick (DAL)
DAL
  1. Edler, Alexander ($2,000,000 retained)
VAN
  1. Petan, Nicolas
  2. 2018 2nd round pick (WPG)
Additional Details:
Petan would be in his hometown, he's on the trading block, jets get a legit centre.
WPG
  1. Sutter, Brandon
  2. Archibald, Darren
VAN
  1. Wedgewood, Scott
  2. 2018 3rd round pick (ARI)
Additional Details:
Pending UFA, yotes still need a goalie, both goalies get a change of scenery.
ARI
  1. Markström, Jacob
  2. Biega, Alex
VAN
  1. Gudlevskis, Kristers
  2. 2018 4th round pick (NYI)
Additional Details:
Pending UFA, NY needs a goalie.
NYI
  1. Nilsson, Anders
  2. Dowd, Nic
VAN
  1. Dell, Aaron
Additional Details:
UFA this summer, Dell would be close to his hometown, he's on the trading block too.
SJS
  1. Bachman, Richard
  2. 2018 3rd round pick (VAN)
Buyouts
  • Chris Higgins: $833,333
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Michael Del Zotto: $1,500,000 (66.67%)
  • Alexander Edler: $2,000,000 (40%)
  • Roberto Luongo: $800,000 (15%)
  • Jannik Hansen: $500,000 (20%)
  • Michael Del Zotto: $750,000 (25%)
Recapture Fees
  • Roberto Luongo: $0
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2018
VAN
VAN
FLA
DAL
WPG
SJS
ARI
VAN
NYI
VAN
MTL
VAN
VAN
2019
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
2020
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
VAN
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
20$75,000,000$50,543,333$0$1,912,500$24,456,667
Left WingCenterRight Wing
Baertschi, Sven
$1,850,000
LW
UFA - 1
Horvat, Bo
$5,500,000
C
UFA - 6
Boeser, Brock
$925,000
RW
RFA - 2
Sedin, Daniel
$7,000,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 1
Sedin, Henrik
$7,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 1
Eriksson, Loui
$6,000,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 5
Goldobin, Nikolay
$863,333
LW
RFA - 2
Granlund, Markus
$900,000
RW, LW, C
UFA - 1
Vanek, Thomas
$2,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Boucher, Reid
$687,500
LW
RFA - 1
Gaunce, Brendan
$750,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
Virtanen, Jake
$894,167
RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Pouliot, Derrick
$800,000
LD
RFA - 1
Tanev, Christopher
$4,450,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
Dell, Aaron
$625,000
G
UFA - 1
Wiercioch, Patrick
$650,000
LD
UFA - 1
Stecher, Troy
$925,000
RD
RFA - 1
Wedgewood, Scott
$650,000
G
UFA - 1
Holm, Philip
$925,000
D
UFA - 1
Chatfield, Jalen
$765,000
RD
RFA - 3

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Feb 16, 2018 at 1:38
#1
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Edited Feb 16, 2018 at 1:50
The year after, we'd use some of those guys in the trades and/ or use juolevi, pettersson, demko, lind, dahlen, gaudette, chatfield, holm, goldobin, boucher, pouliot... And/ or whoever we pick up in the 2018 draft especially with all those picks we'd have after this. And we'd also easily and happily outbid anyone for guys like Carlson or Tavares. .....aaaahhhh... Perfect world. as for the lower limit cap issue, this is a 20 man roster so a few guys would need to be called up anyway and the dorsett deal can always be done later too.
Feb 16, 2018 at 4:25
#2
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As you go down the list the deals get more reasonable. I have to air on the side of most of these would never happen, here's why:

1. Gudbranson, a bottom pairing Dman is not going to fetch a top prospect AND a 3rd round pick, at this point the Canucks will be happy if they just get a 3rd rounder for him.
2. Hutton is entering his prime but not worth a budding prospect and 1st rounder in Juulsen and a 5th rounder, as much as I like Hutton, that's serious over payment by the Habs. He'll probably return a 2nd tops.
3. If salary wasn't a thing this might work. Pens are looking for a 3rd line center which Gagner could fill, but they are only $750k away from the cap and Gagner is $3.45M.
4. Could work, but I don't get this trade for VGK, they don't gain anything by taking on Dorsett's contract.
5. Del Zotto is simply not worth 2 2nd round picks.
5. Edler has a full NMC so that's a non-starter, but even if he did there's no way Dallas is trading their #3 overall pick for a guy who would play 2nd pairing minutes on their team.
6. I actually like this trade for both teams. The Jets have the cap space too to make it work.
7. I like this trade for the Canucks, but I don't know if the Coyotes would like to have a 1A-1B with Raanta and Markstrom
8. Could work, but I don't think NYI sees Nilsson as an upgrade over what they have now.
9. The Canucks would have to sweeten the deal a lot of get Dell from SJ. If Jones got injured and they only had Bachman as their backup they'd be completely screwed haha.
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Feb 16, 2018 at 7:31
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Quoting: doogiski
As you go down the list the deals get more reasonable. I have to air on the side of most of these would never happen, here's why:

1. Gudbranson, a bottom pairing Dman is not going to fetch a top prospect AND a 3rd round pick, at this point the Canucks will be happy if they just get a 3rd rounder for him.
2. Hutton is entering his prime but not worth a budding prospect and 1st rounder in Juulsen and a 5th rounder, as much as I like Hutton, that's serious over payment by the Habs. He'll probably return a 2nd tops.
3. If salary wasn't a thing this might work. Pens are looking for a 3rd line center which Gagner could fill, but they are only $750k away from the cap and Gagner is $3.45M.
4. Could work, but I don't get this trade for VGK, they don't gain anything by taking on Dorsett's contract.
5. Del Zotto is simply not worth 2 2nd round picks.
5. Edler has a full NMC so that's a non-starter, but even if he did there's no way Dallas is trading their #3 overall pick for a guy who would play 2nd pairing minutes on their team.
6. I actually like this trade for both teams. The Jets have the cap space too to make it work.
7. I like this trade for the Canucks, but I don't know if the Coyotes would like to have a 1A-1B with Raanta and Markstrom
8. Could work, but I don't think NYI sees Nilsson as an upgrade over what they have now.
9. The Canucks would have to sweeten the deal a lot of get Dell from SJ. If Jones got injured and they only had Bachman as their backup they'd be completely screwed haha.


I kind of agree. But let's be honest as hockey fans, we've all seen deals that seemed questionable to us before. Plus defence is the most valuable position right now, defense, centre, winger, goalie... In that order. So that's why the first few deals may seem less reasonable compared to when you go down the list. If I was the GM though I would try and get the most of these players but at the end of the day would want to see them gone even if it is just a second for Hutton for example. As for the goalie things, do you think Bachman for gudlevskis and nilsson for dell instead, I though of it later and I think it's maybe better especially since you basically agree.
Feb 17, 2018 at 2:32
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Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 16
Likes: 11
Quoting: MajesticWalrus
I kind of agree. But let's be honest as hockey fans, we've all seen deals that seemed questionable to us before. Plus defence is the most valuable position right now, defense, centre, winger, goalie... In that order. So that's why the first few deals may seem less reasonable compared to when you go down the list. If I was the GM though I would try and get the most of these players but at the end of the day would want to see them gone even if it is just a second for Hutton for example. As for the goalie things, do you think Bachman for gudlevskis and nilsson for dell instead, I though of it later and I think it's maybe better especially since you basically agree.


I think Bachman for Gudlevskis would make much more sense as well as Nlsson for Dell as those are much closer to lateral moves for the organizations involved. In year's past, I agree with you that there has been a premium on Dmen, but this year with Johnson asking for a trade and McDonagh looking like he is open, the amount of quality D available is driving the price down for B-level players like Hutton IMO.
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