Id resign Grubauer if it means losing Holtby (if Samsonov doesnt perform from the beginning, ur screwed). Also, u r correct about Holtby having value, but people have been shortening his value because of his playoff failures.

Holtby has a 7 team no trade clause, Wouldn't surprise me if Ottawa isn't on it. Take more then Holtby+Bowey+1st+3rd to get Erik Karlsson out of Ottawa. Pretty sure other teams like Tampa could beat this rather easily.

Fair enough, What would you add?

you are 10000000% about his value declining because of playoff failures...

I really think that the more I talk about this trade, or moving someone to get space, the thing that is lost is that the huge improvement this team can instantly have with the subtraction of Orpik.

I honestly really don't know the prospect pool of Washington? Honestly i'm not even sure if they've the pieces to land Erik Karlsson Pierre Dorion will want young impact players that can help Ottawa now.

Im sorry...what’s the ultimate goal in hockey?

Samsonov & Lucas Johanson are the #1 & 2... sadly, for a team that has mostly retained our #1 picks, that is close to being it...

I mean we are the team that gave up FF to nashville for ERAT.........

and of course the fact Holtby's having a **** year and has seemingly lost his starting job, for the time being at least, has nothing to do with it...

I think you mean FF lol

Honestly I was never really on the Holtby bandwagon, not saying he is horrible.. I am simply a fan of moving guys with large contracts prior to them falling off a cliff.. especially when we have a top goalie prospect, I mean you either drafted him to eventually replace holtby or to trade him.

And I am not a fan of signing guys past 30 to gargantuan contracts either, no matter how much 'the fans love him' -(Oshie)

Whenever McPhee talked about how he approached the draft, he always said he trusted his staff (which included MacLellan) to list the prospects in order of who was most valuable, and he didn't deviate from their list. I think they picked Samsonov because he was a potentially great player available at the tail end of the first round, who, like Kuznetsov, may have been passed over by other teams over uncertainty as to whether he would come to the NHL to play with them.

I could certainly see the Caps trading Holtby or Grubauer this summer, but it's pointless to speculate on their respective values before the playoffs. Here's hoping they each win two series.

Whenever McPhee talked about how he approached the draft, he always said he trusted his staff (which included MacLellan) to list the prospects in order of who was most valuable, and he didn't deviate from their list. I think they picked Samsonov because he was a potentially great player available at the tail end of the first round, who, like Kuznetsov, may have been passed over by other teams over uncertainty as to whether he would come to the NHL to play with them.

I could certainly see the Caps trading Holtby or Grubauer this summer, but it's pointless to speculate on their respective values before the playoffs. Here's hoping they each win two series.