hey since you guys don't need A+ prospects....how about makar for oshie and a 2nd haha

I give up on both of you haha you can’t fix stupid! It’s absolutely insane you two can’t understand this trade it just goes to show how little you must know about hockey and management.

how little I know? you are trying justify trading a 30 year old player that has worn out his welcome in 2 cities for a top4 pick. the avs core is younger than 24 why would the want to get older? last year 4th overall pick was Brady tkachuk.. this draft is suppose to be better and deeper than last year. why would they trade that way? again the avs don't need wingers they need centers... stop being arrogant and close minded and just understand youre wrong

jarry is worth a 3rd
"jugs" at best is worth maybe a 2nd? but his cap hit makes him a cap dump.....
kessel is worth a mid to late 1st roster player and prospect..... the avs 1st round pick and Jost might be able to get him.

you have your mind made up that kessel is worth a top 5 pick in a deep draft. its silly. haha im still waiting. for you to explain how kessel is a top 10 winger.....


the last 4 4th overall picks......

Brady tkachuk
Cale Makar
poolparty
Marner

Top 10 RW

And you’re forgetting that they also receive a 2020 third in the deal and.......a 1st round pick!!! Never have I argued that Kessel is worth the 4OA. I’m arguing that he is worth dropping down 17 spots to 21 to acquire Kessel, Bjugstad and Jarry BECAUSE

1. Like you said, deep draft
2. Like you said, they are young. 2x Stanley cup champ Phil Kessel could bring some needed experience
3. Cap wise it makes sense. Mackinnon 4 years and Kessel 4. Will be able to sign their prospects that they have in the system already and their stars who will be getting massive raises.


Basically the bottom line is that the Avs will be a better team in the next 4 years doing this trade. And that is what is important in this deal. Teams who are all in and want to make a push give up prospects/picks to win. The Avs are in that position now. They are in an incredible one to boot because they have so many prospects/picks still in their system. They gotta make a move. This one seems pretty logical because it lands a star and depth and you don’t give up any prospects and only drop down in the draft. To argue that the Trade is ridiculous and the Avs wouldn’t consider it is absolute garbage and you know it.

theres a major talent drop going from the top 5 to the middle 14-22. this draft is full of guys who are going to be elite. a good example would be avs could draft marner but ended up with a guy like vrana. both are good but marner is much much better... like I said kessel could be had for their 1st round pick and Jost maybe a prospect . the avs have been very smart and patient. they have also drafted well. they traded duchene who is a kessel type talent and younger for what looked to be a middle 1st and ended up being a top 5 pick. I doubt they waste this chance at an elite player for a guy like kessel who is good but doesnt fill a need for them. kessel is better off going to az. they need a power play specialist. kessel again doesnt fit the core.kessel benefits now (2 years at most) where the pick can benefit them now and for the next 10 years

to be clear kessel is very good but the avs could get a player thats nearly as good and way younger in this draft

Brady tkachuk scored 45 points in 71 games this season and hes 18

cozen is a center and in the whl score 84 points in 68 games

or

TURCOTTE is also a center played 36 games for the USDP (usa u18 team) 37 game 62 points


Brady in the same league as Turcotte scored the same amount of points in double the games the gams 61 games 54 points

so Turcotte stats are much better than Brady and Brady scored 45 points in 71 games....

major point is that they will get a great player at a position of need at the 4th overall pick

Either way it’s a good deal. It all depends what way the Avs want to go and how close they think they are and how good they think their core/prospects are/are going to be.

Obviously if they think really highly of a guy at 4 they will keep the pick and it would be a good move, but if they can trade down, still get a couple guys they like a lot at 16 and 21 and add to their team right now then they would strongly consider that too.

They’re in a position where they can’t really lose. Odds are they do keep the pick but if I was Pens I would be pushing for something like this and I think Colorado would at least entertain the idea. It would just depend on their managements perception of how close they are that would determine if they would actually follow through with something like this or not.

like I said I think the avs are a bad trade partner but az would do a deal similar to this imo. they need a guy like kessel to get them over the hump

Kessel had a "down year" putting up PPG. you like the caps tho so I can see where your ****ation comes from

yeah 45% of those points were on the power play. he also went what like 25 games without a 5v5 goal? anyway you slice it hes not a top 10 winger haha Do YoU uNdErStAnD tHaT?

sorry **** top 15 winger for a serviceable top 4 D, more suited to play top 6... This is why caps fans should be shot on sight smh

thats better... no reason to shoot caps fans. im just trying to help you look less stupid thats all...and it was hard

not likely buddy, you saying Debricat is better than Kessel makes you look pretty f uckin stupid

Debricat is 21 years old and just scored 76 points. 41 goals. kessel career high in goals is 37. at the age of 31 kessel scored 82 points and was a -19 on a dominate penguins team. id take 6 less points and 14 more goals. yeah that pretty stupid haha Debricat is just as good as kessel but 10 year young making his value higher. DoEs ThAt MaKe SeNsE To YoU......der

well the penguins weren't a dominate team.... "dominate" good spelling. They were absolutely no where NEAR dominant
If you're picking a team to win the cup RIGHT NOW, you're not taking Debrincat over Kessel.
Also I like how you looked up his stats and still were proved wrong... js stats lie buddy

I like how you think anyone is picking kessel over DeBrincat hahaha and my stats are accurate. 41 goals is more than kessel ever had in his career.....if kessel is so good why is his return zucker and rask hahaha youre clueless

Lol you're legit drunk if you think Debrincat would be a better pick over Kessel if you want to win a cup right now. Debrincat has had 1 good year, i'll meet you back on this thread next year when he regresses
also, trade value vs what you bring to a team isn't hand in hand...

yeah..... normally teams overpay for players they think can help.....so many examples out there. and yeah debrincat had a great season with DYLAN STROME as his center ..... the kid who was an ahler/ nhl bust

Put Debrincat on Arizona with who Strome played with and he doesn't produce 1/2 the points.
And you're legit brain dead, everyone who knows hockey would take Kessel to win the cup, guy gets it done it the playoffs playing with Nick Bonino and Carl Hagelin, 2 guys worse than Strome and whoever else Cat plays with
Kessel arguably could've won a couple conn smythes...
And yes... teams most ALWAYS overpay for guys that help at the deadline, do you watch hockey? How'd that Shattenkirk trade work out for you? you thought he could help!

that was 2 years ago bud...... how was the most recent 2 playoffs for kessel haha KeSsEl WaS sO gOoD 2 YeArS aGo deer

LOL Debrincat had 1 good year and you're trying to paint him as a top 10 winger
Crosby had 1 point in 4 games what are you gonna try to tell me he's fallen off? You're legit brain dead but I expect nothing else from a capitals fan

kessel isot a top 10 winger dummy..... hes not. and crosby had 100 points and was the penguins best player. he also had a great playoffs the previous year. you are so delusional I feel bad for you. its really sad and embarrassing yinzer to the max,....... do you know theres 30 other nhl teams?

that funny moment when kessel has 1 less point than crosby during those 2 cup runs

again that was 3 years ago........ last 2 playoff 11 points in 16 games and hes a -6

kessel 16 games 11 points -6
crosby 16 games 22 points + 3

so yeah .......that funny moment when kessel has been awful in the post season the last 2 years.....but hey 3-4 years ago he was great hahaha

compared him to crosby what an idiot haha


tom wilson 27 games 20 points ( last 2 playoffs)

kessel .68ppg

wilson .74ppg

wilson is an elite top 10 playoff winger now

Tom wilson 75 points in the last 2 years vs Kessels 174, again, please stop buddy you're actually stupid

"playoffs" reading is hard.... and kessel is maybe 15-20 best wingers in the nhl. his value isnt that great but hey keep drinking the kooool Ade hahah sheep