ARI has no reason to do that deal FYI. They pay Pronger next to nothing to take up his full cap hit.

Zboril a 1st and Spooner feels like overpay for half the leagues top pair dmen, let alone a #4 reguardless of age. Most people think Trouba has little to no potential to get better, he's almost a finished product. I'd do the trade for any 2 of those assets + Koko's rights, but all 3 would be another failure by Sweeny in the relative value department.

So Trouba, at 22 years old, is a finished product? He just passed the 200 game mark as a defenseman (which is when dman usually really start to hit their stride). This comment is as bad as you calling "BS" on me when I said that Griffith and Vatrano weren't centers (still waiting on a response from that, btw).

Jacob Trouba is already a stud top 4 defenseman at 22 years old. He's good for 22+ minutes a night, 20-30 points, all while playing a physical and sound two-way game. LOL, finished product.

Alright. Trade him for a draft pick. Find any suitor for Seidenberg. Just get the contract off the roster. That's all the point of moving him was.

I never saw your reply on the fact Koko was moved to wing in providence so either Griffith or Vatrano must have filled in. He is basically at his ceiling. Why do you think Matt Dumba and others were drafted ahead of him? Trouba was clearly better and more polished at the time. I'm laughing at your ignorance, it's like you believe every players trajectory is straight up if they are young, which is highly ammusing to me. I don't believe Trouba will become a 40-50 point guy or a shutdown #1 dman, he's not going to get bigger or stronger by much either and already thinks the game near his capacity imo. A good reference for Trouba would be former #5oa pick Luke Shenn, they are very similar in the way they approach the game. Shenn sucks now and was way better at 22 years old.

I bumped the mock ACGM for you. It's named Last Mock Before Draft. You'll find it. 3rd post up, i even quoted you. I look forward to your rebuttal.

Anyway, using draft position as a basis for your argument is weak. In that same draft, Griffin Reinhart went 3rd overall. He can't even make it in Edmonton. Dumba went two spots before Trouba, and Trouba is a much better defenseman. Pouliot who went in between them hasn't done anything at the NHL level yet. I'm not ignorant, i just have a clue what I'm talking about. I don't think that a young player's trajectory is automatically going to go up, at all. Don't put words in my mouth, it doesn't help your argument out. Dougie Hamilton is a perfect example. He's young, and has talent, but I don't think he amounts to anything more than what he is right now. Not enough intelligence in his own zone, and he's too soft.

Your entitled to your opinion on Trouba. Neither of us are right. but to say he he's a finished product at 22 (with just over 200 games played) is naive. He's still growing as a player. He's still progressing. Jacob Trouba is a much better player at 22 than Schenn was. Schenn's problem is that he's slow and lacks hockey IQ. Trouba skates very well for a player his size, and has the IQ needed to be a capable two-way guy. Trying to compare the two is like grasping at straws. They're two different players. Just because they were drafted in the top 10 and play a more defensive game, doesn't mean they're comparable. Trouba in his short career has shown he can produce a bit on the backend. Schenn has never been that guy.

They are very similar, that's why I compared them. 2 guy's who's best season was and probally will be their rookie season. They are both dfd who scored about 22 points at age 22. They put up insanely similar years at 22, other then +\- because Shenn was on a bottom 5 type team. Saying Trouba can produce from the back end compared to Shenn at his age is funny again. That's like calling a fat girl less chubby than her obese friend. You overrate Trouba like a lot of others. The only thing remarkable about him is his age.

Well Trouba's career numbers and PPG stats are better than Schenn's. Points honestly has nothing to do with this. Who cares how many points you get from defenseman. What you need from them is solid defense, and good transitioning. Trouba does that. he's far superior than Schenn. Now, and when they were both rookies. He's not being overrated. I just don't think you watch him enough.

I've seen him enough. He's somewhere between Shenn and Adam Larsson, but I think your giving Larsson value for someone who really hasn't gotten much better in the NHL over 3 years. He's not a shutdown #1-2 and he's not offensive much. Why would you concieveablely give up one of the best 3rd line C's, a 1st round prospect who projects as a 3/4 (which is what trouba ultimately is) and a 1st that could be a lottery pick?

Because it's fair value. Trouba is better than you think.