No Marino means no Miller. Without Marino, what other assets do you even have? Not many. No good prospects, no players that we need.

lets suppose VAN is out of a playoff position in January though and still have JT. You're just gonna let him walk in free agency next year?

Vancouver can find a team willing to pay for him. When you have guys like Savard, Foligno, and Chiarot getting first round picks as a rental at the deadline, I have no doubt in my mind that we will get a good package for Miller. Just because you want him, doesn’t make him free. What pieces could Vancouver possible want from Pittsburgh other than Marino and the 2023 first round pick

Ok but Giroux also only got 1st 3rd and Owen Tippett. So Pens definitely have a similar package to that. Thats also why I was wondering what other teams are interested and what type of packages are the Pens competing against. All I'm saying is the longer they wait the lower value JT has. Is Van definitely trying to move him this offseason?

Well Miller is also much much better than Giroux so I don’t get your point. It was also considered an underpayment as Chuck Fletcher has a track record of being an idiotic GM. The deal woll be bigger than what Fiala got