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Created by: rcazz
Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 20, 2022
Published: Jul. 20, 2022
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Trying to establish fair value between Tkatchuk and Nylander:

Tkatchuk:
-Regular Season (431 gp, 425 pts)
-Playoffs (27 gp, 15 pts)
-Age/Contract (24/Unsigned-likely costs 9-10 m x 1 in arbitration) (*also wants out of CGY lowering their leverage in trade scenario)

Nylander:
-Regular Season (439 gp, 343 pts)
-Playoffs (39 gp, 30 pts)
Age/Contract (26/6.9m x 2 yrs)

Tkatchuk is a better player but considering Nylander’s seemingly under appreciated value, along with Tkatchuk’s contractual issues, a trade between the two would be a lot closer than people think.

Imo a solid prospect, and a mid/late rd draft pick bridges this gap pretty fairly (regardless if TO extends him past next year or not)
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
7$9,500,000
1$1,350,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Tkachuk, Matthew [RFA Rights]
CGY
  1. Nylander, William
  2. Robertson, Nicholas
  3. 2023 3rd round pick (TOR)
  4. 2024 7th round pick (TOR)
2.
TOR
  1. 2023 4th round pick (SEA)
SEA
  1. Holl, Justin
Additional Details:
anywhere
3.
TOR
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (SEA)
SEA
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
Additional Details:
anywhere
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$82,500,000$82,468,250$212,500$0$31,750
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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Bunting, Michael
$950,000$950,000
LW
UFA - 1
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Matthews, Auston
$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
UFA - 2
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Marner, Mitchell
$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 3
Tkachuk, Matthew
$9,500,000$9,500,000
RW
UFA - 8
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Tavares, John
$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 3
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Järnkrok, Calle
$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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Engvall, Pierre
$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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Kämpf, David
$1,500,000$1,500,000
C
UFA - 1
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Aubé-Kubel, Nicolas
$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW
UFA - 1
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Waivers ExemptAbruzzese, Nick
$850,000$850,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
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Gaudette, Adam
$750,000$750,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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Simmonds, Wayne
$900,000$900,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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Rielly, Morgan
$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 8
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Brodie, TJ
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 2
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Murray, Matt
$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
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Liljegren, Timothy
$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 2
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Samsonov, Ilya
$1,800,000$1,800,000
G
UFA - 1
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Sandin, Rasmus
$1,350,000$1,350,000
LD
UFA - 2
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Giordano, Mark
$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 2
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Benn, Jordie
$750,000$750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1

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Jul. 20, 2022 at 11:25 a.m.
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Not_Isles5513
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Someone will trade a lot more for Tkachuck than that package. Not sure why anyone on this site would pretend 24 year olds are viewed as rentals lol.
Jul. 20, 2022 at 11:25 a.m.
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Calgary laughs at that trade proposal and hangs up. Then calls back to laugh some more and hang up again
Jul. 20, 2022 at 11:29 a.m.
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Quoting: Isles5513
Someone will trade a lot more for Tkachuck than that package. Not sure why anyone on this site would pretend 24 year olds are viewed as rentals lol.


I mean his contract allows him to walk after this upcoming season the same way a rental UFA would so..
Jul. 20, 2022 at 11:30 a.m.
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Quoting: Orango
Calgary laughs at that trade proposal and hangs up. Then calls back to laugh some more and hang up again


For reasons stated above, I disagree, respectfully.
Jul. 20, 2022 at 11:32 a.m.
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I mean his contract allows him to walk after this upcoming season the same way a rental UFA would so..


Yeah but he’s 24 and everyone calling Calgary will have an extension in place with the deal
Jul. 20, 2022 at 11:33 a.m.
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Quoting: rcazz
For reasons stated above, I disagree, respectfully.


If Calgary does move Tkachuk, they will be offered a lot more than this proposal. Nylander is very good, yes...but a true power forward superstar in his prime is a very rare thing to be available. I expect a team to really overpay to get him.
Jul. 20, 2022 at 11:38 a.m.
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Quoting: Isles5513
Yeah but he’s 24 and everyone calling Calgary will have an extension in place with the deal


I’m sure in an ideal world that would be the case, but Calgary doesn’t really need to worry about his next contract if they’re trading him. I’d bet that they take the quality player who is close in value and signed for two more years at a reasonable price, in addition to picks and a prospect than wait around until Tkatchuk agrees on a team/contract extension throughout the season.
Jul. 20, 2022 at 11:39 a.m.
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I’m sure in an ideal world that would be the case, but Calgary doesn’t really need to worry about his next contract if they’re trading him. I’d bet that they take the quality player who is close in value and signed for two more years at a reasonable price, in addition to picks and a prospect than wait around until Tkatchuk agrees on a team/contract extension throughout the season.


Calgary will do whatever they can to maximize their return. That means an extend and trade.
Jul. 20, 2022 at 11:40 a.m.
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I’m sure in an ideal world that would be the case, but Calgary doesn’t really need to worry about his next contract if they’re trading him. I’d bet that they take the quality player who is close in value and signed for two more years at a reasonable price, in addition to picks and a prospect than wait around until Tkatchuk agrees on a team/contract extension throughout the season.


I don’t agree that the players are comparable either
Jul. 20, 2022 at 11:40 a.m.
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Quoting: Orango
If Calgary does move Tkachuk, they will be offered a lot more than this proposal. Nylander is very good, yes...but a true power forward superstar in his prime is a very rare thing to be available. I expect a team to really overpay to get him.


Maybe so, I guess all I’m suggesting is that if a team pays dramatically more than this, then they are grossly overpaying based on the player values and contract statuses involved.
Jul. 20, 2022 at 11:42 a.m.
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Quoting: Isles5513
I don’t agree that the players are comparable either


I’m not suggesting Nylander is better or even as good as Tkatchuk but their statistics are relatively close, Nylander actually outperforming him in career playoff totals, while factoring in the contracts pull their values even closer together
Jul. 20, 2022 at 11:44 a.m.
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Quoting: rcazz
I’m not suggesting Nylander is better or even as good as Tkatchuk but their statistics are relatively close, Nylander actually outperforming him in career playoff totals, while factoring in the contracts pull their values even closer together


Yes offensively they are nearly identical, but defensively its not even close. Tkatchuk back skates, gets takeaways, and throws the body around, whereas Nylander does not.
Jul. 20, 2022 at 11:47 a.m.
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I’m not suggesting Nylander is better or even as good as Tkatchuk but their statistics are relatively close, Nylander actually outperforming him in career playoff totals, while factoring in the contracts pull their values even closer together


You don’t normally see older players packaged for someone so young. Can’t imagine how awkward it would be for Calgary to introduce an older winger as part of their return lol.
Jul. 20, 2022 at 11:47 a.m.
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I’m not suggesting Nylander is better or even as good as Tkatchuk but their statistics are relatively close, Nylander actually outperforming him in career playoff totals, while factoring in the contracts pull their values even closer together


Maybe Marner for Tkachuck is realistic but even then I’m not sure. And you obviously aren’t adding to Marner if ur Toronto.
Jul. 20, 2022 at 11:48 a.m.
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You don’t normally see older players packaged for someone so young. Can’t imagine how awkward it would be for Calgary to introduce an older winger as part of their return lol.


They will be 1 year apart in age as of December mate.
Jul. 20, 2022 at 11:50 a.m.
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Quoting: Orango
Yes offensively they are nearly identical, but defensively its not even close. Tkatchuk back skates, gets takeaways, and throws the body around, whereas Nylander does not.


I guess I just see the contract factor as more significant than those differences. Plus that’s what the added prospects and picks are meant to address too.
Jul. 20, 2022 at 11:54 a.m.
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Quoting: rcazz
They will be 1 year apart in age as of December mate.


Yeah but they aren’t actually a year apart. Isn’t it a year and however many months
 
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