Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
lmao u havent used one fact lmao. or trade comp
Weren't you "done"? Wanna go another round, really?
I have used plenty of facts, but no trade comps. I don't need trade comps to tear your arguments to shreds.
Let me put this is terms I hope we can find common ground on.
Your premise:
Players are only worth what a team is willing to pay for them.
My counter-premise is:
Players are worth somewhere between what the selling team thinks they're worth and what the buying team thinks they're worth.
Deals come together outside of the normal curve by a certain factors that bias that value. Some of those biases are:
-Organizational need for a player in that position due to injury, retirement, poor planning
-Organizatiknal need for intangibles that player brings like leadership, toughness, other things hard to measure
-Cap pressure from a stagnant/slow growing cap due to Covid
-Pressure/Desire to load up for a cup run
-GM/Coach/Player pressure to perform for a new contract
-A myriad of other factors I can't fathom right now
We can see that play out most notably at the TDL each year, but the 2022 offseason was another biased set of circumstances:
-Paying a 1st to move Monahan
-Pacioretty for free
-Klingberg 1 year deal
-Kadri under market deal
-DeBrincat trade under market value
Case in point:
Edmundson and Chiarot are very similar players on very similar contracts. Chiarot has put up better offensive numbers by sacrificing some of his defensive prowess. Eddy is younger.
If I proposed trading Eddy to a contender for a late 1st (unprotected), late 4th and a C+ prospect - no one does that deal. It's essentially the same.or I would argue a better deal because Eddy is younger and has an additional year of cost certainty and has a better +/- but no way any team accepts.
The reason that deal heavily biased towards the Habs on value got done, pressure/desire to load up for a cup run. If the Redwings called tomorrow and offered Chiarot to any team... They are not giving up what the Panthers did.
Now can we agree that your initial premise was just wrong?