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Buf - Van Expansion cousins make a trade

Created by: IjustNEEDaTROYgamble
Published: Jun. 15, 2023 at 3:53 a.m.
Salary Cap: $83,500,000
Season Days: 185/186 (99%)
Central Registry Determination: This trade has met the central registry's trade checklist

Logo of the Buffalo SabresBuffalo Sabres

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Greenway, JordanBuffalo SabresNHL-$2,983,871011---0000--
Jokiharju, HenriBuffalo SabresNHL-$2,486,559011---0000--
Luukkonen, Ukko-PekkaBuffalo SabresNHL-$832,997011-------00
Rosén, IsakWaivers ExemptBuffalo SabresMinor-$0011---0000--
2023 1st round pick (Logo of the Buffalo SabresBUF)---100------
2023 2nd round pick (Logo of the Buffalo SabresBUF)---010------
2023 2nd round pick (Logo of the Philadelphia FlyersPHI)---010------
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Demko, ThatcherVancouver CanucksNHL-$4,973,118011-------00
Beauvillier, AnthonyVancouver CanucksNHL-$4,127,688011---0000--
Garland, ConorVancouver CanucksNHL-$4,923,387011---0000--
Bear, EthanVancouver CanucksNHL-$0011---0000--
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$16,959,7632133503712
Change-$7,720,7661-10-1-20
Final$9,238,997 (↓)22 (↑)32 (↓)502 (↓)5 (↓)12000

Logo of the Vancouver CanucksVancouver Canucks

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Demko, ThatcherVancouver CanucksNHL-$4,973,118011-------00
Beauvillier, AnthonyVancouver CanucksNHL-$4,127,688011---0000--
Garland, ConorVancouver CanucksNHL-$4,923,387011---0000--
Bear, EthanVancouver CanucksNHL-$0011---0000--
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Greenway, JordanBuffalo SabresNHL-$2,983,871011---0000--
Jokiharju, HenriBuffalo SabresNHL-$2,486,559011---0000--
Luukkonen, Ukko-PekkaBuffalo SabresNHL-$832,997011-------00
Rosén, IsakWaivers ExemptBuffalo SabresMinor-$0011---0000--
2023 1st round pick (Logo of the Buffalo SabresBUF)---100------
2023 2nd round pick (Logo of the Buffalo SabresBUF)---010------
2023 2nd round pick (Logo of the Philadelphia FlyersPHI)---010------
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial-$668,7501839553513
Change$7,720,766-110120
Final$7,052,016 (↑)17 (↓)40 (↑)554 (↑)7 (↑)13000
Jun. 15, 2023 at 4:25 a.m.
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Too much quantity not enough quality going to Vancouver.
Jun. 15, 2023 at 9:26 a.m.
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Quoting: Aasen6
Too much quantity not enough quality going to Vancouver.


Let's break this down.

Bear vs Jokiharju - Probably a wash. Bear looked better playing less minutes. Joker is younger, and played primarily with a rookie in a role he wasn't suited for.
Garland vs Greenway - It's been reported teams don't like Garlands cap hit. Solid player, but the cap hit is an issue. Greenway is a different type of player, less offensive upside but better defensively and a lower cap hit. Again I'll call this a wash, but neither hold a ton of value as middle 6 wingers.
Beauvillier - Solid middle 6 winger. But again, and as we've seen the past few years most middle 6 wingers don't hold a ton of value. Barbashev went for a former late 1st at the TDL when prices tend to be higher, Niederreiter went for a 2nd. Offseason trade would probably mean a little less value than at the TDL. Buf 2nd seems appropriate.

That leaves Demko for the remaining pieces. 13th overall, 39th overall, a former top 15 pick who just had a very solid 1st season in the AHL, and a goalie prospect who struggled a bit this season and would probably garner a 3rd based on past young goalie trades. so 2 mid firsts, a mid 2nd and a 3rd for a guy who just had the worst season of his career.

What more quality do you expect here? Do you think you're getting 1st round picks for Garland, Beauv or Bear? Do you think someone's trading you a prospect like Kulich or Savoie for Demko? As a Buffalo fan I'd have zero interest in anyone other than Demko, but if the asking price is higher than anything a recent goalie has been traded for you're probably pretty far off.

Trades with this many players moving are rare in the NHL anyway, outside of the deals for guys like Meier or Tkachuk.
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Jun. 15, 2023 at 11:31 a.m.
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From this Canucks fan I think it's actually pretty solid. However it would leave the Canucks without a legit start, even though I think UPL will be a decent goalie in a few years. Still they could make subsequent moves to get a short term starter while Silovs continues to improve and run a tandem of short term starter + UPL. Nice proposal
Jun. 15, 2023 at 12:28 p.m.
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That's a nope from Buf
Jun. 15, 2023 at 4:20 p.m.
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Quoting: Funksoljah
Let's break this down.

Bear vs Jokiharju - Probably a wash. Bear looked better playing less minutes. Joker is younger, and played primarily with a rookie in a role he wasn't suited for.
Garland vs Greenway - It's been reported teams don't like Garlands cap hit. Solid player, but the cap hit is an issue. Greenway is a different type of player, less offensive upside but better defensively and a lower cap hit. Again I'll call this a wash, but neither hold a ton of value as middle 6 wingers.
Beauvillier - Solid middle 6 winger. But again, and as we've seen the past few years most middle 6 wingers don't hold a ton of value. Barbashev went for a former late 1st at the TDL when prices tend to be higher, Niederreiter went for a 2nd. Offseason trade would probably mean a little less value than at the TDL. Buf 2nd seems appropriate.

That leaves Demko for the remaining pieces. 13th overall, 39th overall, a former top 15 pick who just had a very solid 1st season in the AHL, and a goalie prospect who struggled a bit this season and would probably garner a 3rd based on past young goalie trades. so 2 mid firsts, a mid 2nd and a 3rd for a guy who just had the worst season of his career.

What more quality do you expect here? Do you think you're getting 1st round picks for Garland, Beauv or Bear? Do you think someone's trading you a prospect like Kulich or Savoie for Demko? As a Buffalo fan I'd have zero interest in anyone other than Demko, but if the asking price is higher than anything a recent goalie has been traded for you're probably pretty far off.

Trades with this many players moving are rare in the NHL anyway, outside of the deals for guys like Meier or Tkachuk.


There’s no shot you just said greenway and garland are a wash, garland is a 50 point guy who gets under the oppositions skin and greenway is a useless 4th liner that had opportunity last year and managed a crazy total of 11 points. He could be as good as Bergeron defensively and he’s still not a wash with garland if he struggles to produce double digit point totals. Also UPL doesn’t have much value anymore, he’s struggled at the nhl level and everyone knows Levi is the guy going forward in Buffalo now
 
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