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Will We Ever be Good Again

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Team: 2024-25 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 7, 2024
Published: Mar. 7, 2024
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Man, Staios has his work cut out for him. 7 years into a rebuild and I don’t feel any sense of hope. What a mess Dorion and Melnyk left. I haven’t been excited about this team since the Stone trade.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$4,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,000,000
4$5,000,000
2$1,200,000
5$3,000,000
2$1,000,000
3$5,000,000
2$2,000,000
3$1,500,000
Trades
1.
OTT
  1. Smith, Reilly
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Recouping what they paid for him.
PIT
  1. 2025 3rd round pick (FLA)
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We need this type of vet player.
2.
OTT
  1. 2024 7th round pick (LAK)
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He had success there and LA needs a goalie. At $2.5 mil not a bad option.
LAK
  1. Korpisalo, Joonas ($1,500,000 retained)
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Better than a buyout.
3.
OTT
  1. Bourque, Mavrik
  2. 2024 1st round pick (DAL)
Additional Details:
Chych comes with an extension in place similar to what Hanifin will get 8 x $7 mil.
4.
OTT
  1. 2026 7th round pick (NJD)
Additional Details:
Low cost backup option.
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
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2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$87,700,000$86,718,214$850,000$0$981,786
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$8,205,714$8,205,714
LW
UFA - 4
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$8,350,000$8,350,000
C
UFA - 7
$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW
UFA
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
C
RFA
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$4,975,000$4,975,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
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$863,333$863,333
C, LW
RFA - 1
$2,000,000$2,000,000
C, LW, RW
UFA
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 1
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$2,950,000$2,950,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$894,167$894,167
C
RFA - 1
$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$4,600,000$4,600,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
UFA
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$8,050,000$8,050,000
LD
UFA - 8
$5,000,000$5,000,000
RD
UFA
$1,000,000$1,000,000
G
UFA
$1,200,000$1,200,000
LD/RD
UFA
$3,000,000$3,000,000
RD
UFA
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$805,000$805,000
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 1
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$7,950,000$7,950,000
C
UFA - 6

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Mar. 7 at 5:03 p.m.
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Korpisalo didn't have success in LA. Fans are still upset that the Kings went with him over Copley in the playoffs.

Ottawa signed that deal, they're stuck with him now.
Mar. 7 at 5:11 p.m.
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Korpisalo didn't have success in LA. Fans are still upset that the Kings went with him over Copley in the playoffs.

Ottawa signed that deal, they're stuck with him now.


Pierre Dorion signed the deal. New ownership group, new management group. Zero loyalty to the deal or to the player. I’m sure there is a team that would take a $2.5 mil Korpi cap hit, if it’s not LA.
Mar. 7 at 5:27 p.m.
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First off, I am a little jealous of all the talented players you have on the Sens. That being said, the Sens & Sabres rebuilds are a bit of a cautionary tale. If you look at Detroit for example you might say they did not follow the "rebuild playbook" most teams seem to embrace.

But selling all your veterans and purposefully & perpetually losing for 5+ years to stockpile young talent is a bad strategy. Valuing youth above experience. Valuing talent above grit. It rarely works, but it seems like the league is addicted to this idea. Fans points to Pittsburgh & Chicago and say this is how you build a modern dynasty. But those Pens teams, they didn't only win with Crosby, Malkin & Letang.

Pittsburgh had Guerin (age 38), Gonchar (age 34), Gill (age 33), Boucher (age 35), Cooke (age 30), Dupuis (age 29), Fedetenko (age 30), Eaton (age 31) when they won their first cup of the Crosby dynasty.

Yes Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and Fleury formed the Elite nucleus of the team, but they were surrounded by a veteran core with an average age of 32-33, and since paying the young core priced all the good vets out of the team, the Pens have limped along, never quite good enough to win the last game of the season.

Not even Crosby can do it it alone.
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Mar. 7 at 6:30 p.m.
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that dont get chych, ott declines DAL trade
Mar. 7 at 7:39 p.m.
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First off, I am a little jealous of all the talented players you have on the Sens. That being said, the Sens & Sabres rebuilds are a bit of a cautionary tale. If you look at Detroit for example you might say they did not follow the "rebuild playbook" most teams seem to embrace.

But selling all your veterans and purposefully & perpetually losing for 5+ years to stockpile young talent is a bad strategy. Valuing youth above experience. Valuing talent above grit. It rarely works, but it seems like the league is addicted to this idea. Fans points to Pittsburgh & Chicago and say this is how you build a modern dynasty. But those Pens teams, they didn't only win with Crosby, Malkin & Letang.

Pittsburgh had Guerin (age 38), Gonchar (age 34), Gill (age 33), Boucher (age 35), Cooke (age 30), Dupuis (age 29), Fedetenko (age 30), Eaton (age 31) when they won their first cup of the Crosby dynasty.

Yes Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and Fleury formed the Elite nucleus of the team, but they were surrounded by a veteran core with an average age of 32-33, and since paying the young core priced all the good vets out of the team, the Pens have limped along, never quite good enough to win the last game of the season.

Not even Crosby can do it it alone.


what are you rambling on about they won 2 more cups or did you forget that part. Mainly with a younger team as Rust, Guentzel, Murry, and their 4th line were all part of that next young group coming in.

Furthermore, You are over here comparing a team that in no way would win the todays modern NHL.
The game is faster. You can't just assemble a team of old 32 year old guys now around 3-4 young guys and win. You need to play faster now. It's why the average age of players has decreased since Crosby won that 1st cup.

While I agree it's hard for a team of 22 year olds to win, there is a balance in there where you see teams in the upper 20s really pull it together.
OTT is still a young team. You could say they are underperforming but sometimes that's not just on the players but the coach and office as well.
Remember this was a team that was caught mocking the coach on video not to long ago.
Believe me there are plenty of "old vets" who have bad habits and are guys you really don't want in locker rooms.
You can't look back at OTT and say, oh yeah all those old vets would have been such great influences on these younger players... that's not true. It's better to build with youth than go out and over pay vets to fill roles.
Mar. 7 at 8:07 p.m.
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what are you rambling on about they won 2 more cups or did you forget that part. Mainly with a younger team as Rust, Guentzel, Murry, and their 4th line were all part of that next young group coming in.

Furthermore, You are over here comparing a team that in no way would win the todays modern NHL.
The game is faster. You can't just assemble a team of old 32 year old guys now around 3-4 young guys and win. You need to play faster now. It's why the average age of players has decreased since Crosby won that 1st cup.

While I agree it's hard for a team of 22 year olds to win, there is a balance in there where you see teams in the upper 20s really pull it together.
OTT is still a young team. You could say they are underperforming but sometimes that's not just on the players but the coach and office as well.
Remember this was a team that was caught mocking the coach on video not to long ago.
Believe me there are plenty of "old vets" who have bad habits and are guys you really don't want in locker rooms.
You can't look back at OTT and say, oh yeah all those old vets would have been such great influences on these younger players... that's not true. It's better to build with youth than go out and over pay vets to fill roles.


Yes. When Crosby & Malkin were 27-30 years old, the team was dominating again. You are literally making my point. Teams packed with 20-25 year olds do not win cups. Does that mean Ottawa needs to wait until Tkachuk & Stutzle are 27-30 in order to be successful? Why? There are 4-5 pieces in the Sens today that are the core of a championship team, but they should consider trading a bunch of their other young pieces for older quality vets. They will never do that though, and THAT is my point.
Mar. 7 at 8:10 p.m.
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Yes. When Crosby & Malkin were 27-30 years old, the team was dominating again. You are literally making my point. Teams packed with 20-25 year olds do not win cups. Does that mean Ottawa needs to wait until Tkachuk & Stutzle are 27-30 in order to be successful? Why? There are 4-5 pieces in the Sens today that are the core of a championship team, but they should consider trading a bunch of their other young pieces for older quality vets. They will never do that though, and THAT is my point.


there are already older vets on OTT.
You see to think older is better. None of that is true.
Hell look at TOR they surrounded Matthews, Marner and Nylander with "older vets" did they win anything.... No.
Rebuilding teams don't trade out younger talent for old vets, get over it.
Mar. 7 at 8:17 p.m.
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there are already older vets on OTT.
You see to think older is better. None of that is true.
Hell look at TOR they surrounded Matthews, Marner and Nylander with "older vets" did they win anything.... No.
Rebuilding teams don't trade out younger talent for old vets, get over it.


No skin off my nose sir. I am super happy if Ottawa loses for another 3-4 years.
 
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