I'm pretty sure Kakko wasn't the problem.

Either way NYR are in a hard spot. This team as it is isn't good enough to win a cup. Their two best forwards are 32 years old, Chytil can't get over his concussion issues and the window is closing fast.
There is nothing they have in the pipeline to replace a Panarin or Kreider, no matter how much NYR fans want to preach and they all need time to develop.
They need to make real moves if they aren't going to waste their rebuild. Otherwise they might want to turn to sellers themselves before it's too late.

This. @Rags21

Lol

Honestly would've preferred Othmann to Kakko tbh if it was me. Is this reported fact? Were willing to do Othmann and 1st but not Kakko? I think I still would've taken the Carolina deal, maybe with Kakko idk what I would've chosen. I dont like him or Bunting tbh but Kakko is at least still pretty young.

Rangers offered Othmann and a 1st for Guentzel but didnt feel comfortable parting with Kakko

And that explains a lot.

Agree with all of this. If they pulled Kaako out of the deal though it’s obvious why Dubas went to Carolina.

Anaheim passes

We aren’t adding a 3rd to Vatrano as we have no reason to trade our leading scorer

What Carolina offered is a joke lmao. Bunting isn’t anything but a middle 6 player, and none of those prospects are Carolina’s top 5

The reality is not a lot of teams want to make deals with the Rangers for whatever reason it is

They’re literally top of the metro despite losing chytil, Igor not being himself and Mika being awful lol. They even hung in there with a stacked Panthers team

Panarin is having a career year and seems unstoppable. The prospect pool is fine, but you’re forgetting one thing. Guys want to play for the Rangers lol they have no trouble signing and getting big names

They’re not even Carolina’s top 5 prospects lol

It was a poor job by Dubas…everyone knows he got fleeced

You just simply don't know the prospects. This deal is WAY better than a 1st Othmann and whatever

Bunting is borderline cap dump lol

And yea I don’t pay attention to other prospects lol if I’m looking at their stats and draft positions, they aren’t impressive

If Kakko stayed in the deal then I think it would have went through. The problem is if it was just the 1st, Othmann, and a random prospect or pick that comes up a bit short. I would rather have the 3 forwards they gave us in a quantity deal because we have nothing up front after Yager.

Carolina has a deep prospect pool. The Rangers are front loaded. Othmann is a nice piece and with Kakko as well as their 1st that could have went through and beat Carolina. The problem is they apparently pulled back on including Kakko and when you factor that in it becomes a poor deal for us to take.

I’m not saying what the rangers had is better or anything, but the deal seems like it got beat out by quantity over quality

But who knows, I’m not an nhl scout so maybe I’ll be wrong and eat my words

It did because we do not have quantity lol. Our prospect pool is basically Yager up front and Pickering on the blueline. We have NOTHING worth a crap after that, so we needed these young forwards.

Rangers could have matched the quantity with othmann, Berard, Sykora, etc…They were just missing a roster player they didn’t want to give up

But let’s not deny the facts that the Pens probably didn’t want to deal with the Rangers and the rumor of Crosby having a say in it

A. None of those guys you mention are what drives the rangers. It's Panarin and Kreider and when they age out, you'll be hurting.
B. People don't want to play in NY. There are all kinds of proofs of that, the teams people favor are FL, TX, Vegas. Because they pay no taxes instead of the ridiculously high tax rate in NY.

Lmao mentioning Kreider in the same sentence as Panarin as if they’re the same caliber? They have plenty of talent in the organization and they attract free agents

Right, that’s why they signed Gus, Quick, Wheeler for cheap or they got Panarin and Fox, etc…. Keep being wrong

I love how you think the signings of Quick Wheeler and Gus are great signingings.
They got Panarin because his GF wanted to live in NY. Period.

You want to rip on Kreider who's second on the team in goals. Good luck replacing that.
Fact is you lose both those guys to aging out soon, and when they go so does the team.
Fox ain't gonna carry the team like Panarin does, you can just stop right there in thinking that.
This team is pure garbage without those two and we both know it.
But good luck, tick tock. time is running out.

Please explain why Quick and Gus were bad signings………..

Yea Kreider is good but he’s powerplay merchant. Same as Mika. Let me know when they start producing at 5v5

The rangers are literally always battling for a playoff spot unless they’re rebuilding lmao. Like I said they have talent in the pipeline and they attract all free agents

actually no they don't have comparable talent in the pipeline and no they don't attract FA. Everyone knows the hot spots for FA are the tax free stats. This has been proven over and over again.
I don't care where the goals come from, he scores them not other people.
Quick was a hope and dream signing. 4 of his previous 5 seasons were bad. He's 38 and at the end of the line. You think you got something because you got 21 games out of him. But if he were pressed into regular service during the playoffs you'd be in trouble. It's clear he was in decline for years. That hasn't changed.
As for Gus at 31 years old if he was a decent defenseman he wouldn't be getting league minimum on a 1 year deal in a league so strapped for defenseman that Jack Johnson still has a job. So please lets not go about acting like this was some great signing. It was a hope and a prayer that you pray won't be exposed in the playoffs.

Othmann, Berard, Perreault, KAM, Schneider, Laffy, Kakko are all young and good… they’ll be fine

Lmao I just told you all these guys they signed that worked out well…..Panarin, Gus, Quick, Trocheck, Vesey

It’s okay to be dumb and wrong lmao i don’t know what team you root for but I can easily tell you don’t know hockey. Probably a devils or isles fan given how jealous you sound 😂

speaking of dumb and wrong you over here using works like " Kakko are all young and good"

That tells me enough about your ability to judge players there because the whole rest of the world views him as Yakupov 2.0.
You over here throwing out contracts like vesey...... if he was any good he wouldn't be signed to a 2 year league min deal.
It is what it is man. You really over rating guys. You got nothing on Panarin's or Kreiders level in that whole lot. But you need to figure that part out on your own.