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Team: 2024-25 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 8, 2024
Published: Mar. 20, 2024
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$900,000
2$900,000
2$900,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,625,000
7$8,500,000
1$2,000,000
1$850,000
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2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$87,700,000$87,650,771$0$0$49,229
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$8,500,000$8,500,000
LW, RW
UFA
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$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$925,000$925,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
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$5,125,000$5,125,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 4
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$3,571,429$3,571,429
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
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$2,450,000$2,450,000
C
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
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UFA
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,025,175$4,025,175
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$10,000,000$10,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 3
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$5,375,000$5,375,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 4
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD
UFA
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$6,100,000$6,100,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 4
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$1,625,000$1,625,000
G
UFA
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$775,000$775,000
LD
RFA - 1
$850,000$850,000
RD
UFA
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$800,000$800,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$900,000$900,000
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Mar. 20 at 1:16 p.m.
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I don't really know if that helps the Blues at all or not. Our 4th line of Walker - Sunny - Toropchenko has been pretty good. I guess if we felt Toropchenko needed moved up to the 3rd line it could work. I get that the idea is to cut bait on some term on the contracts. Hayes has been fine, Saad is what he is. Very streaky, but will get to 20 goals and 40 points or so. I have no reason to care to keep either player that the Blues would move here, but i don't really see where the two returning would fit either too much.
Mar. 20 at 1:23 p.m.
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Dubas rejects and asks why he is assuming such great risk without much immediate upside gain?
Mar. 20 at 1:24 p.m.
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I don't really know if that helps the Blues at all or not. Our 4th line of Walker - Sunny - Toropchenko has been pretty good. I guess if we felt Toropchenko needed moved up to the 3rd line it could work. I get that the idea is to cut bait on some term on the contracts. Hayes has been fine, Saad is what he is. Very streaky, but will get to 20 goals and 40 points or so. I have no reason to care to keep either player that the Blues would move here, but i don't really see where the two returning would fit either too much.


I'd definitely not be mad at this, but I'd rather just swap Hayes for Cookie, bump Torp up to 3rd and either drop Schenn to 3C or get a stopgap middle 6 C.
Mar. 20 at 1:25 p.m.
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Dubas rejects and asks why he is assuming such great risk without much immediate upside gain?


I must be missing something... what's the great risk?
Mar. 20 at 1:29 p.m.
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I don't really know if that helps the Blues at all or not. Our 4th line of Walker - Sunny - Toropchenko has been pretty good. I guess if we felt Toropchenko needed moved up to the 3rd line it could work. I get that the idea is to cut bait on some term on the contracts. Hayes has been fine, Saad is what he is. Very streaky, but will get to 20 goals and 40 points or so. I have no reason to care to keep either player that the Blues would move here, but i don't really see where the two returning would fit either too much.


Pens get slightly better players, Blues get cap sooner is how I see it

Pens' best chance of being competitive is finding better fits for similar players

Blues could probably dump those two easier than Saad and Hayes given NTCs
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Mar. 20 at 1:29 p.m.
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I must be missing something... what's the great risk?


Maybe to fans that think of cap hit as monopoly money. Dubas is taking on 6 years and $24m for two 3rd line players while giving up three years and $9m on a 3rd liner and 4th liner. If he wants to get fired, this would be a good start. It makes little to no difference on the roster and massive difference on the balance sheet. Which is almost a guaranteed bad decision in the cap era of roster management.
Mar. 20 at 1:30 p.m.
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Dubas rejects and asks why he is assuming such great risk without much immediate upside gain?


Swapping players for better fits is how they won under GMJR
Mar. 20 at 1:31 p.m.
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Maybe to fans that think of cap hit as monopoly money. Dubas is taking on 6 years and $24m for two 3rd line players while giving up three years and $9m on a 3rd liner and 4th liner. If he wants to get fired, this would be a good start. It makes little to no difference on the roster and massive difference on the balance sheet. Which is almost a guaranteed bad decision in the cap era of roster management.


6 years?
Mar. 20 at 1:32 p.m.
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I'd definitely not be mad at this, but I'd rather just swap Hayes for Cookie, bump Torp up to 3rd and either drop Schenn to 3C or get a stopgap middle 6 C.


Would be interested in Hayes for Cookie too
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Mar. 20 at 1:32 p.m.
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Swapping players for better fits is how they won under GMJR


Yes, swapping similar risk. This is way more risk to PIT for very minimal upside. Or cap construction roster management 101.
Mar. 20 at 1:33 p.m.
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Yes, swapping similar risk. This is way more risk to PIT for very minimal upside. Or cap construction roster management 101.


I don't see those two as any more risk than keeping Acciari and Smith, who they already know don't fit
Mar. 20 at 1:33 p.m.
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6 years?


Hayes has three years at $3.5m. Saad has three years at $4.5m. Smith has one year at $5m. Acciari two years at $2m. The marginal on ice benefit does not come close to the cap structure implications.
Mar. 20 at 1:35 p.m.
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Maybe to fans that think of cap hit as monopoly money. Dubas is taking on 6 years and $24m for two 3rd line players while giving up three years and $9m on a 3rd liner and 4th liner. If he wants to get fired, this would be a good start. It makes little to no difference on the roster and massive difference on the balance sheet. Which is almost a guaranteed bad decision in the cap era of roster management.


Ummm your math is way off. And even if it wasn't, the way you're adding it up is incredibly misleading.
Mar. 20 at 1:35 p.m.
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Hayes has three years at $3.5m. Saad has three years at $4.5m. Smith has one year at $5m. Acciari two years at $2m. The marginal on ice benefit does not come close to the cap structure implications.


Hayes and Saad both are signed through 2026, two years

Pens basically extend Smith by a year here (Saad) and that's it, Hayes and Acciari have the same term

...and Hayes and Saad are younger, so less age related risk
Mar. 20 at 1:59 p.m.
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I'd definitely not be mad at this, but I'd rather just swap Hayes for Cookie, bump Torp up to 3rd and either drop Schenn to 3C or get a stopgap middle 6 C.


Yeah it's not the worst thing in the world. Certainly not necessary or really beneficial, just moves things around. I'd venture Walker - Acciari - Sunny would be a pretty solid 4th line as well
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Mar. 20 at 4:43 p.m.
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Yeah it's not the worst thing in the world. Certainly not necessary or really beneficial, just moves things around. I'd venture Walker - Acciari - Sunny would be a pretty solid 4th line as well


Cookie was a beast for us. I'd even trust him at 3C with the right wingers. Bolduc would be excellent to pair with him for a season.
 
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