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Pastrnak v3

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Team: 2017-18 Calgary Flames
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 1, 2017
Published: Aug. 1, 2017
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Likelihood: 0-4%
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Beleskey inclusion is to offset some of the cap coming back.
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Stone is an upgrade over Miller / McQuaid, but is another RD, so that's likely a problem. Doubt Treliving would be willing to remove any of the current Top 4, so Stone would be the only real roster dman available. Would BOS value adding to their defensive group? Maybe not, given their current contract structure.
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Bennett (Top 6-9)
+ Stone (Top 4)
+ Kylington (Tier 1)
+ Klimchuk (Tier 2)
+ slight draft upgrade (2nd to 1st)
+ removal of Beleskey contract
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CGY's bottom D pairing looks pretty suspect in this scenario. Might have to look at a UFA like Franson at $2-2.5M to round things out. In that instance, CGY would have to offload another contract (Brouwer), which could be costly.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,500,000
2$800,000
1$770,000
5$6,750,000
Trades
1.
CGY
  1. Beleskey, Matt ($800,000 retained)
  2. 2018 2nd round pick (BOS)
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RFA rights to F David Pastrnak
2.
CGY
  1. 2019 3rd round pick (CGY)
ARI
  1. Stajan, Matt
  2. 2018 7th round pick (DET)
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2018
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2019
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2020
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$75,000,000$69,090,043$660,000$2,520,000$5,909,957
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$6,750,000$6,750,000
LW
UFA - 5
$6,375,000$6,375,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 6
$6,750,000$6,750,000
RW
UFA - 6
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW
UFA - 2
$3,575,000$3,575,000
C
UFA - 1
$4,300,000$4,300,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
$1,750,000$1,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$637,500$638K)
C, LW
UFA - 1
$1,750,000$1,750,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
$950,000$950,000
RW, C
UFA - 2
$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 3
$1,100,000$1,100,000
LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
$612,500$612,500
C, RW
UFA - 1
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, C
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$3,375,000$3,375,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 5
$5,750,000$5,750,000
RD
UFA - 4
$4,250,000$4,250,000
G
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UFA - 2
$4,650,400$4,650,400
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
$3,857,143$3,857,143
RD
UFA - 3
$1,375,000$1,375,000
G
UFA - 1
$800,000$800,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
$612,500$612,500
RD
UFA - 1
$755,833$755,833 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
RD
UFA - 3

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Aug. 1, 2017 at 2:41 p.m.
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This one is the worst out of your 3. No value heading to Boston. We don't need a tiny upgrade over Miller/McQuaid if we're giving up a franchise player.

If you really want Pastrnak, Monahan will be included in the deal. He's your most valuable piece and his stats weren't even close to Pasta's last year. Its Pasta + Beleskey for Monahan + 2x 1st's or there would be no reason to trade him.

He'll sign a deal close to Marchand's so it'll be team friendly as well as player friendly and we'll keep him.
Aug. 1, 2017 at 2:48 p.m.
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Treliving has khahoonaas but all Versions have huge risk as pastrnaks first two years were 1/2 points per game and it was only last year that he broke out What if that was a flash in the pan it would set the club back huge and it would all be on the Manager.
Aug. 1, 2017 at 2:53 p.m.
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CGY's most valuable assets (in order): Hamilton, Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Brodie, Giordano (not young anymore), Backlund, etc.

As a top line center, Monahan carries more value than you're suggesting. He's only about 1.5 years older than Pastrnak. Also, here's the look at per game stats for both guys:

Monahan: 0.34G, 0.34A, 0.68PT (319 GP)
Pastrnak: 0.34G, 0.37A, 0.72PT (172 GP)

You're over-valuing Pastrnak in the Monahan + 1st + 1st suggestion. Pastrnak has also been given better linemates. Gaudreau is elite, but Marchand/Bergeron is definitely an upgrade over Gaudreau/Ferland (or similar).

Just some food for thought.
Aug. 1, 2017 at 3:03 p.m.
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CGY's most valuable assets (in order): Hamilton, Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Brodie, Giordano (not young anymore), Backlund, etc.

As a top line center, Monahan carries more value than you're suggesting. He's only about 1.5 years older than Pastrnak. Also, here's the look at per game stats for both guys:

Monahan: 0.34G, 0.34A, 0.68PT (319 GP)
Pastrnak: 0.34G, 0.37A, 0.72PT (172 GP)

You're over-valuing Pastrnak in the Monahan + 1st + 1st suggestion. Pastrnak has also been given better linemates. Gaudreau is elite, but Marchand/Bergeron is definitely an upgrade over Gaudreau/Ferland (or similar).

Just some food for thought.


Ehh, Pasta really only plays with those two on the PP. For most of the season he played with Krejci and whatever AHLer they called up to play LW.
Aug. 1, 2017 at 3:56 p.m.
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This is the first one I have looked at out of your 3 and you aren't even close. Boston gets ripped off.
Aug. 1, 2017 at 4:51 p.m.
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Quoting: Vanderm
CGY's most valuable assets (in order): Hamilton, Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Brodie, Giordano (not young anymore), Backlund, etc.

As a top line center, Monahan carries more value than you're suggesting. He's only about 1.5 years older than Pastrnak. Also, here's the look at per game stats for both guys:

Monahan: 0.34G, 0.34A, 0.68PT (319 GP)
Pastrnak: 0.34G, 0.37A, 0.72PT (172 GP)

You're over-valuing Pastrnak in the Monahan + 1st + 1st suggestion. Pastrnak has also been given better linemates. Gaudreau is elite, but Marchand/Bergeron is definitely an upgrade over Gaudreau/Ferland (or similar).

Just some food for thought.


Pastrnak played with Krejci for atleast 20 games last season with a junky 3rd wheel linemate at LW and still produced those numbers. You are incorporating seasons in which Pastrnak was developing and Monahan was NHL ready. Please use only last season and do the math, knowing Pasta still has more upside than Monahan going forward as well. I think you'll come to the conclusion that Pasta is about a point per game player going forward and Monahan is a nice 60 point C. Those aren't even comparable in terms of value, which is why you add the 1st round draft picks. Time will tell what Pasta becomes, but I think he'll be our best asset within 3 years time. Monahan is a nice safe player who will score 60 points and be dependable, but I think you are overrating him quite a bit with your logic. Even your conclusion using your stats going back to when Pasta was 20 or younger, Pasta has the better numbers and he totally blew Monahan away this year in terms of Points per game. Pastrnak has the upside to become a franchise player, while Monahan will only be known as a 1st line C. Theres a difference in there for you to notice and the value is quite different in those variations.
Aug. 1, 2017 at 5:00 p.m.
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Quoting: ON3M4N
Quoting: Vanderm
CGY's most valuable assets (in order): Hamilton, Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Brodie, Giordano (not young anymore), Backlund, etc.

As a top line center, Monahan carries more value than you're suggesting. He's only about 1.5 years older than Pastrnak. Also, here's the look at per game stats for both guys:

Monahan: 0.34G, 0.34A, 0.68PT (319 GP)
Pastrnak: 0.34G, 0.37A, 0.72PT (172 GP)

You're over-valuing Pastrnak in the Monahan + 1st + 1st suggestion. Pastrnak has also been given better linemates. Gaudreau is elite, but Marchand/Bergeron is definitely an upgrade over Gaudreau/Ferland (or similar).

Just some food for thought.


Ehh, Pasta really only plays with those two on the PP. For most of the season he played with Krejci and whatever AHLer they called up to play LW.


He didn't really play with them on the PP much. He wasn't on 1st PP the majority of the year because Spooner was the wall guy, Krejci at point with Krug, Bergeron Bumper and Backes or Marchand in front of the net. I don't think you watched all the games if you think Pasta was 1st PP very often. There may have been like 30 games or so of Him out there with those guys replacing Spooner or Krjeci, but it simply wasn't our go-to or the normal setup. It was also Backes for the majority of time before it switched to Marchand on PP1. The setup had some tweaks in it, but I think we'll likely only fit Pasta in on PP1 if he takes Krejci's spot. I don't see him as better than Spooner and Bergeron is probably the best bumper in the league. If he goes in for Marchand that's like an Apples for Apples move that I don't believe makes us any stronger.

He also played the majority of the year with Bergeron and Marchand and then got bumped to Krejci's line for lets say 30 games. I'm not going to look it up, but that sounds about right from what I remember. He played about 20 games there with Krejci and then all of Cehlarik's games as well and I thought they did a good job together, although Cehlarik crapped the bed in terms of points. His play was borderline good, but his stats were awful, almost as bad as Heinen's. I liked Cehlarik especially breaking out of the defensive zone, he always made a good first pass after receiving a puck that was thrown up the boards while he was under pressure. That may not sound like a big deal, but it's actually a very important part of playing winger as a young guy. IF you don't get the puck out of the zone your ass finds the bench pretty fast.
Aug. 2, 2017 at 7:48 a.m.
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He didn't really play with them on the PP much. He wasn't on 1st PP the majority of the year because Spooner was the wall guy, Krejci at point with Krug, Bergeron Bumper and Backes or Marchand in front of the net. I don't think you watched all the games if you think Pasta was 1st PP very often. There may have been like 30 games or so of Him out there with those guys replacing Spooner or Krjeci, but it simply wasn't our go-to or the normal setup. It was also Backes for the majority of time before it switched to Marchand on PP1. The setup had some tweaks in it, but I think we'll likely only fit Pasta in on PP1 if he takes Krejci's spot. I don't see him as better than Spooner and Bergeron is probably the best bumper in the league. If he goes in for Marchand that's like an Apples for Apples move that I don't believe makes us any stronger.

He also played the majority of the year with Bergeron and Marchand and then got bumped to Krejci's line for lets say 30 games. I'm not going to look it up, but that sounds about right from what I remember. He played about 20 games there with Krejci and then all of Cehlarik's games as well and I thought they did a good job together, although Cehlarik crapped the bed in terms of points. His play was borderline good, but his stats were awful, almost as bad as Heinen's. I liked Cehlarik especially breaking out of the defensive zone, he always made a good first pass after receiving a puck that was thrown up the boards while he was under pressure. That may not sound like a big deal, but it's actually a very important part of playing winger as a young guy. IF you don't get the puck out of the zone your ass finds the bench pretty fast.


I would say I watch 95% of the game throughout the season. Last year the 1st PP unit for majority of the year was Bergeron, Marchand, Pastrnak, Spooner and Krug. The 2nd PP unit was a combination of Krejci, Chara, Backes, Vatrano + Chiller or a random forward. Pasta on the 1st unit played that Ovie one time role while Bergeron played the bumper, Spooner the half wall, Krug the point and Marchand below the line.

If you don't believe me check out LWL, you know the site that provides line combination frequency. The #1 PP combination for Boston last year was the exact one I listed above. If you don't belive them, maybe you'll believe FrozenPool/Dobber Hockey because they say the same thing.

You really need to stop trying to tell me I don't watch games. When you tell me I'm wrong and then I prove (with facts) that I'm right it just makes you look foolish and you lose what little credibility you already have among other B's posters. Word of advise, do some research before you try and shoot your mouth off about someones knowledge.
 
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